Flying Mathias
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I know nothing about Indonesia. But if they were able to build an empire with their people speaking 7,000 different languages, they do deserve to be in Civ.
Why the hell isn't Shaka Zulu in this
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thadian
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most of the scenarios are just "normal games" with a stipulation - the only scenarios i like are Korea and Mongol because you have a sense that something happened before turn 1, and something is continuing to happen - while the rest of the scenarios... are just as plain as vanilla with no mods or anything.
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Yes, the expansion SCAM pushed them out of Civ III and Civ IV in the same way.
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The Zulu were in vanilla Civ III.
This, the smartest post in the thread.
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Sigh unlike the Poland people, the Zulu people might actually get their way. Kind of sad. So many better civs that could and should get in rather than them. And particularly from Africa there are better civs that were more influential and provide more flavour than the Zulu.
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I think the lack of Poland is a bit of a running gag in Civ. I think we may never see an officio Polish Civ, and I'm fine with that.
I could imagine that the Poles would be a bit mad, though.
That said, several of the Civs we've had aren't exactly great empires, but just unique ones that make the gameplay and flavour a bit more varied. Like Polynesia.
I think that's why the Zulu are a possibility. We currently have no sub-Saharan Civs, and their they'd be able to give us a unique culture group, and are probably the best known group from that region.
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I would love to see Indonesia in the game! Imagine tsl games with them. Fills in a huge gap. And Australia and Canada, while modern, are certainly significant enough, and add enough unique flavor, to be justified as civs. It makes me mad that they add a civ like Byzantium, who's capital is in the exact same tsl spot as the ottomans, but completely ignore a neglected, huge region. I mean, don't get me wrong, Byzantium was a great empire, and I love Theodora, but I mean, come on.
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You could say that Austraila and Canada are rolled into England with the Commonwealth.
Of course, India isn't, but they have a rich history of their own, pre-colonization.
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Really?....... why on earth didn't they just get a list of village names or the individual tribes. The Zulus must of named there villages
Well, Zimbabwe's a city (I missed this because I always forget it's their Civ capital - I'm used to thinking of Isandhlwana, which was a battle, as the Zulu capital), but it also has no connection at all to the Zulus, and was abandoned long before they emerged.
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Maybe the UA for the Zulu could be for early era units (like spearman/impi) to have a combat bonus when fighting later era units (like riflemen). That would be fitting historically and also make them a great civ to play on harder difficulties when the AI often out paces the player in technology. It would also make them a formidable foe if the player takes them on after achieving a tech lead.
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Hmm, maybe make a mod for "Reverse Civ Mode"
Babylon loses all great scientist points upon discovering writing, -25% production of Great Scientists. ;p
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Both Ethiopia and Mali are sub-Saharan...
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You have to admit that leaving out Europe's largest medieval empire that successfully fought off both the Mongols and the repeated German Crusades is a bit odd.
Well if we want to go that route...Cuba should be added with Che Guevera as their leader. They would get a UA for spying, increasing success rate by 50%. Science and growth is increased by 25% while empire is under 3 cities.
Now before you guys say WHY, you guys need to understand Cuba. Prior to Cuba's independence, all of latin america was under indirect rule of american corporations. The Banana Republic was a racist term for countries that supplied natural resources to america for hardly anything at all. Most if not all latin american countries are poor, uneducated, and working for pennies on the dollar.
This is where Che Guevera comes in. He wanted to be a doctor and travelled all of south america and latin america. He noticed that everywhere he went, people were poor, miserable, and working for white corporates. He noticed that being a doctor would only be treating the symptoms of suffering. The only way to cure the disease would be to liberate the countries from foreign rule. So he began his crusade in Cuba and freed them from capitalist rule. Ever since then, Cuba has had the highest eduction rate in all of the Americas (Over us too) and free healthcare among other perks and survived the many attempts we made to (passively) destroy them.
Now why the UA? Cuba completely owned America during every attempt they made to destroy them.
1. America declared a trade embargo against cuba after they earned their independence solely off the fact they did not have free reign over cuban resources anymore. They thought it would cause the people to starve and eventually overthrow Fidel but other Communist countries around the world helped Cuba survive and it royally pissed off america to know that they couldn't bleed them out peacefully.
2. They tried assassinating Fidel but his counterintelligence totally dominated any attempts on his life and caused america to panic because they realized they were in a position where they would look like the bad guys if they tried to take Cuba back.
3. They finally decided to do an invasion. They were gonna try to get soldiers into Cuba secretly to act like the locals and cause revolts all over the city so the cuban military would be confused. They would go in speaking spanish fluently and dressing like Cubans. Unfortunately for america, Cuba found out about it 3 days earlier and set up a plan. Fidel told all soldiers to not shave for 2 days.
WHen the invasion happened, america was suppose to send air cover for the boats but they decided not to due to political affiliation. They knew they couldnt hide the fact it was american if they sent planes so they only sent the refugee boats instead. Cuba sent out their airforce and blew most of them out of the sea. Additionally, the soldiers that did make it to land ran into patrols and every real cuban had a nice 2 day shadow....-) Those undercover soldiers got murdered.
America has forsaken all claims to Cuba since. They understand they can't take Cuba without making themselves look like royal asses to the rest of the world.
Cuba should be in it. Che should be their leader even though it is Fidel. Che was the reason the rebellion ever began.
Now before you guys say WHY, you guys need to understand Cuba. Prior to Cuba's independence, all of latin america was under indirect rule of american corporations. The Banana Republic was a racist term for countries that supplied natural resources to america for hardly anything at all. Most if not all latin american countries are poor, uneducated, and working for pennies on the dollar.
This is where Che Guevera comes in. He wanted to be a doctor and travelled all of south america and latin america. He noticed that everywhere he went, people were poor, miserable, and working for white corporates. He noticed that being a doctor would only be treating the symptoms of suffering. The only way to cure the disease would be to liberate the countries from foreign rule. So he began his crusade in Cuba and freed them from capitalist rule. Ever since then, Cuba has had the highest eduction rate in all of the Americas (Over us too) and free healthcare among other perks and survived the many attempts we made to (passively) destroy them.
Now why the UA? Cuba completely owned America during every attempt they made to destroy them.
1. America declared a trade embargo against cuba after they earned their independence solely off the fact they did not have free reign over cuban resources anymore. They thought it would cause the people to starve and eventually overthrow Fidel but other Communist countries around the world helped Cuba survive and it royally pissed off america to know that they couldn't bleed them out peacefully.
2. They tried assassinating Fidel but his counterintelligence totally dominated any attempts on his life and caused america to panic because they realized they were in a position where they would look like the bad guys if they tried to take Cuba back.
3. They finally decided to do an invasion. They were gonna try to get soldiers into Cuba secretly to act like the locals and cause revolts all over the city so the cuban military would be confused. They would go in speaking spanish fluently and dressing like Cubans. Unfortunately for america, Cuba found out about it 3 days earlier and set up a plan. Fidel told all soldiers to not shave for 2 days.
WHen the invasion happened, america was suppose to send air cover for the boats but they decided not to due to political affiliation. They knew they couldnt hide the fact it was american if they sent planes so they only sent the refugee boats instead. Cuba sent out their airforce and blew most of them out of the sea. Additionally, the soldiers that did make it to land ran into patrols and every real cuban had a nice 2 day shadow....-) Those undercover soldiers got murdered.
America has forsaken all claims to Cuba since. They understand they can't take Cuba without making themselves look like royal asses to the rest of the world.
Cuba should be in it. Che should be their leader even though it is Fidel. Che was the reason the rebellion ever began.
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What makes me a little sad is that there will never be any other Italy-based civilization other than Rome. There are quite a few cultures that are deserving - specifically the Lombards/Langobards for the Medieval and Venice for the Renaissance come to mind.
Byzantium however is one of the most important historical empires that have ever existed on the entire world. It outlived the Roman empire, it endured over 1000 years until its demise; it controlled much of Eastern Europe, the Middle East and Egypt at its peak; it was one of the biggest and most major players during the Medieval; it was a cultural and mercantile center of insane magnitude and basically "founded" its own religion. The Byzantine culture even lived on after Byzantium fell, and was assimilated into Turkey and Greece, and Orthodoxy still exists as its legacy.
Canada is barely 150 years old, Australia just a bit over 100 years, and they both never had as much impact on history as Byzantium did - their contributions to global history pale in comparison, and are pretty much neglectable.
Many big historical empires overlapped geographically, and just because Constantinople is a city that was later conquered by the Turks doesn't make the Byzantines any less worth of a spot in the game, especially not when it comes to Canada or Australia, which barely qualify having their own "culture" but rather are part of the modern mishmash of 20th century culture. Really now.
Byzantium however is one of the most important historical empires that have ever existed on the entire world. It outlived the Roman empire, it endured over 1000 years until its demise; it controlled much of Eastern Europe, the Middle East and Egypt at its peak; it was one of the biggest and most major players during the Medieval; it was a cultural and mercantile center of insane magnitude and basically "founded" its own religion. The Byzantine culture even lived on after Byzantium fell, and was assimilated into Turkey and Greece, and Orthodoxy still exists as its legacy.
Canada is barely 150 years old, Australia just a bit over 100 years, and they both never had as much impact on history as Byzantium did - their contributions to global history pale in comparison, and are pretty much neglectable.
Many big historical empires overlapped geographically, and just because Constantinople is a city that was later conquered by the Turks doesn't make the Byzantines any less worth of a spot in the game, especially not when it comes to Canada or Australia, which barely qualify having their own "culture" but rather are part of the modern mishmash of 20th century culture. Really now.
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