Wonders you slept on

[Shibooyeah]

I often have trouble getting stuck in a dark age rut across multiple eras. I do everything I can, including searching for the most niche era score possibilities (levying a city state military, etc), but sometimes I still miss it by a few points. I partially blame this on the fact that I don't like to settle many cities.

But anyway, I discovered the Taj Mahal, which gives an additional era score whenever you get an event that is at least +2. And every time I build this, I've noticed I'm guaranteed normal eras, andh ave gotten golden ages much more often than before. It's great!

What wonders do people not build very often that they should?

 

[wesplaysciv]

In my 500 hours playing this game, last week I think I had my first chance to build the Great Library ... on diety, on a small map / 6 civs. It was great. A lot of fun getting random boosts when other civs recruited great scientists. Not exactly a hidden gem, though, just new for me.

 

[Naeshar]

Based on the thread name I thought you were to confess sleeping on the pyramids or Eiffel tower illegally.

I know people build it often, but I let Oracle go every game. The GPP is minor compared to another city with districts and requires districts to be built. I ignore the GP faith buying discount.

 

[tedhebert]

Mausoleum at Halicarnassus is a great wonder when you have a lot of coast tiles... I tended to forget about it, but now whenever I see a good city for it, I build it

 

[bengalryan9]

I think Kilwa is the best example of an overlooked wonder.

 

[UWHabs]

Mausoleum at Halicarnassus is a great wonder when you have a lot of coast tiles... I tended to forget about it, but now whenever I see a good city for it, I build it

Yeah, there's a few wonders that I used to look at as just kind of meh, but once you build them in a game, realize how strong they can be. Oracle, Mausoleum, Kilwa being some that I have more or less recently really learned more about and consider trying to race for. Mausoleum especially, since that extra engineer charge alone is pretty sweet, never mind that whatever coastal city it ends up in really starts to take off for me, especially when I pop in Liang+fisheries. Suddenly every coastal tile is like 4+ food, 1+ production, plus the science/faith/culture. Biggest problem is that usually that city doesn't have enough land tiles to build districts for how large a city it shortly becomes.

I still have virtually never built any of the religious wonders, so I do wonder if there's some hidden gems there too.

 

[Lord Lakely]

Stonehenge. Getting a Great Prophet without having to invest aggressively into Holy Sites is pretty sweet (I wait to found the religion until I've set those up however. - last thing I want is to lose my religion to a wanton swarm of missionaries)

Alhambra is another I very rarely build (because I don't build Encampments, like ever) but quite like. It helps me defend myself as I often neglect my military and allows me to run conscription/levee-en-masse nonstop while *also* allowing me to run a recruitment speed card in case of an emergency. That's pretty good, considering I nearly always go Merchant Republic.

I think I've built every wonder in the game now, and yes, the Taj Mahal is pretty good and quite underrated. Getting a golden age can be very challenging if you play peaceful Builder (CultVic) games and this wonder rewards you with more era score for building wonders. I always try to snag it whenever I can.

 

[yung.carl.jung]

Personally think Taj Mahal is kind of a bait. If you get used to having that extra era score you will suffer in those games where you don't get Taj. With enough practice you can go Golden Age x3, or Golden Age x4, or Dark Age - Heroic Age - Golden Age x2 in most of your games, from my experience. Era score is one of those mechanics where I really still have to git gud. You simply have to memorize and keep an open eye constantly.

My main takeaway is that you always want to go either gold or dark, never normal. Taj Mahal is not necessarily weak or bad, but it's kind of a crutch. I see Stonehenge in a similiar vein. Probably better to simply practice getting your Holy Sites up early, because you can't always get that 'Henge.

They are still decent wonders though compared to for example the late-game culture wonders, which some of them are only good for their GW slots (kinda depressing, considering how good those were in Civ 5).

Mausoleum at Halicarnassus is a great wonder when you have a lot of coast tiles... I tended to forget about it, but now whenever I see a good city for it, I build it

I only build it for the additionaly GE charges usually, but it is quite nice with a coastline.

I think Kilwa is the best example of an overlooked wonder.

100% agree. I never built Kilwa when I started with GS and it was such a game changer for me. Honestly a top 5 wonder in this game. Also not very contested, easy condition, it's simply perfect. Unless you are playing on a Lakes map

 

[Archon_Wing]

Potala Palace was a wonder I usually skip because it is hard to get but an extra dipo slot is quite nice at times. This is around the time you start to get the good ones.

Edit: On that topic, I updated my document on wonders: https://drive.google.com/file/d/150Y792gNhg8CDZpY8dz-pzexG57H7Ky-/view?usp=sharing

 

[The Highwayman]

I would say Kilwa as well. If you can luck out and have 2 scientific and/or cultural city states on the map, it's a monster. Even with just 2 scientific CSs, it's almost like having the Amundsen-Scott 4 eras earlier. Machinery is on the way to printing, so it's also convenient.

 

[Fluphen Azine]

No Love for Forbidden City huh?

 

[ferretbacon]

No Love for Forbidden City huh?

Does anyone sleep on a wonder that provides an extra wildcard slot?

 

[Fluphen Azine]

Does anyone sleep on a wonder that provides an extra wildcard slot?

lol... great point... I guess my reading comprehension is giving me problems yet again!

 

[Victoria]

Weirdly I often go for Potala but sleep on forbidden. Work that one out.
Mausoleum as Sweden I forget and should not.
I never sleep on Kilwa.

 

[Kmart_Elvis]

I used to sleep on Kilwa, until I built it one day. I try and get it every game now. If you are suzerain of two or more city state types it's a necessity. You'll get 30% yields in your Kilwa city and 15% in all other cities. In my current Maya game, I get an additional 10%, and I'm suzerain to two industrials,so my Kilwa city is 40% production and the rest of the cities are 25% production. Hands down my favorite wonder.

 

[Abaxial]

Kilwa I usually go for and usually get, likewise Forbidden City. Stonehenge I'm usually beaten to by the AI. On the other hand, I usually never bother with Kotaku-in, Colosseum or St Michael Mount.

 

[yung.carl.jung]

Weirdly I often go for Potala but sleep on forbidden. Work that one out.
Mausoleum as Sweden I forget and should not.
I never sleep on Kilwa.

Forbidden is a wonder the AI loves, Potala not so much. AI also does not really beeline for Astronomy either. For that reason I prefer Potala.

 

[Equilin]

I just got Kilwa, never built it before (actually an issue of quitting that save rather than sleeping on it), and it's fantastic, even more because i'm using CIVITAS City-State mod which gives 4 more CS types.