World War 3 - 2015 for C3C

[muffins]

It's 2015 and the United States is seeing its' sole superpower status challenged from several quarters. In the Far East, China is rapidly growing, forcing neighbouring nations to form protective defence pacts to deter Chinese regional ambitions. A pan-Arab nationalist revolution has swept away the hated dictatorships of the Middle East and has drawn other Muslim nations into its' fold. A more assertive European Union now spans the European sub-continent.

In this Scenario I've tried to simulate the near future of 2015 where the US will face both China and the EU as new rising superpowers. I've tried to model very closely real world civilisation size, development level, technology and military strengths in this scenario within the limits of the Civ game (hey, I just wanted to know who might end up on top ... I would hate to learn Mandarin Chinese for nothing)

You can play any one of 14 sides in this game on a HUGE 180x180 ultra realistic Earth map and you don't have to use Civ3Edit to do that ... just chose one civilisation as normal when you start the game.

Apart from some renaming and tweaks of some civilisations - no other rules or unit character stats have been altered. All victory conditions are enabled.

Certain nations are in locked alliances at the start of the game (eg America, Israel, Iraq and the Pacific Defence Pact)

Get the scenario at --

www.geocities.com/muffins4brains/WorldWar3-2015

 

[Al Zan]

one good job!
why is Iraq not part of the Muslim Nationalist Alliance?
why is Minsk part of Russia it should be a part of the EU?

 

[muffins]

Thanks

Iraq is not part of the Muslim Nationalist Alliance because I think that it will still be under the strong support and influence of the US by 2015.

As for Belurus, they nearly gave up and joined Russia in the 1990's. With their current economic situation and their anti-capitalist leader they are teetering on the edge of economic colapse. It's my guess that the 'White-Russian' will turn to their cousins before they embrace the Franco-German EU

 

[Gogf]

Wow, this is a cool scenario. Good job muffins.

 

[Cuivienen]

Why is Iran not a part of the Muslim National Alliance? They are already a Theocratic government today.

Which, I might add, you should do -- create special government types. Theocracy for the Muslim National Alliance (and, possibly, Israel), Beauracratic Democracy for the EU, PDP, SDP, LAC and AU, Republican Democracy for the US, Neutral States, India, Russia and Iraq (and Israel assuming not Theocratic). Obviously, China is Communist (no changes necessary).

 

[Mobilize]

Iran is most likely not a part of the Muslim National Alliance because they are of Persian ethnicity and not Arabic. I doubt Iran would join such an alliance because of this. They dislike Iraq and other Middle Eastern countries.

Very nice scenario. I'm gonna go and play it soon.

 

[muffins]

Thanks for all the feedback!

I didn't include Iran in the Muslim Nationalist Alliance since Iran is a theocracy and the MNA are secular nationalists. I've modelled them upon the pan-Arab nationalism that engulfed the region in the 1950's and 1960's that almost united much of the middle east under one flag. Egypt and Syria were even in a 'union' at one point until they fell out.

Also, the only nation within the Muslim Nationalist Alliance that operates any level of theorcacy or Koran-based rule is Saudi Arabia ... and they have serious problems with a disgruntled population. Everyone else - Morocco, Algeria, Egypt, Syria, Jordan etc - are secular and see Islamic fundamentalism as a threat.

For that reason I've given the Muslim Nationalist Alliance a Fascist government type (these guys are ultra-nationalists) and not theocratic.

This is also why I've been able to add the former Soviet central asian nations in the MNA (these people are Turks and Uzbeks, not Arabs).

 

[Esca]

You are right about it taking a loooong time to load.
Thanks for the warning, or I might have given up.
I have a P4 2G comp.

Looks like a great scenario.

I tried to play as the Chinese.
After three turns I was at war with just about everybody, so I quit.

I will try the Europeans next time.

 

[Overlag]

dude, i just read this: http://www.geocities.com/muffins4brains/TheWarCascade.html

on your page

quality peice of work you should make THAT into a Civ Scenario!

 

[muffins]

Originally posted by Esca
You are right about it taking a loooong time to load.
Thanks for the warning, or I might have given up.
I have a P4 2G comp.

Looks like a great scenario.

I tried to play as the Chinese.
After three turns I was at war with just about everybody, so I quit.

I will try the Europeans next time.

All hail Esca and his 2G machine!

 

[Overlag]

took 2minutes to load on mine...

 

[Jabronyo]

It reaches 66% on "configurating scenario"
It already shows the map. Then, it just stops. After 5 minutes, I found out that it has stopped responding.
Im running on 733mhz. How long should it take?

 

[Overlag]

it hasnt stopped responding, its working realy hard to work stuff out.

733mhz is realy "slow" for a scenario of this size, leave it on over night "loading"

 

[muffins]

Originally posted by Jabronyo
It reaches 66% on "configurating scenario"
It already shows the map. Then, it just stops. After 5 minutes, I found out that it has stopped responding.
Im running on 733mhz. How long should it take?

I've got a 1Ghz PC and it takes 15 minutes to configure the scenario for me. Your computer hasn't crashed or locked up, it's just got a huge map with lots of cities, resourse access, culture and stuff to work out first. Just give it time.

 

[Esca]

Playing as the Europeans, I found that I could not make any modern weapons, apart from Tow infantry.
No tanks no infantry, only riflemen.

I had all the required technology.

It takes too long between turns for me. I am, reluctantly, going to have to give it a miss.

 

[Overlag]

oil!

 

[Marla_Singer]

That's a good idea of scenario Muffin !!!

About my few remarks...
- Be careful with the African alliance, it's a quite large civilization that could have a truely big power.
- If there's a way for you to not build setters, it would be quite great to avoid a "colonization" of Siberia and Northern Canada.
- According to me, Khartoum and Muqdishu should be in the Arab alliance. Both Sudan and Somalia are members of the Arab League and Sudan is even controlled by the fundamentalists today !
- I would create the city of Kano in Northern Nigeria and the city of Bouaké in Norther Ivory Coast. Both contolled by the Arab League. Tensions are increasing in both countries between muslims in the North and christians/animists in the South.
- I would put Abidjan instead of Freetown simply because Abidjan is the main economical power in the region.
- I would let Minsk as Russian and put also Kiev as Russian. There are really few chance Ukraine and Belarus will be part of the EU in 2015. Moreover, those countries are diplomatically closer to Moscow than to Brussels.
- I would put Central Asian countries in locked alliance with the US and not part of the Arab Alliance.
- I would put the city of Papeete as French and the Guam as American. Those place are strategic in the case of a war in the Pacific. Maybe also another one near Madagascar with the Reunion Island.
- The US should control the city of Panama. Well I know it's independant but the canal is actually controlled by the US and it could be very important for Americans to get it.
- Instead of George W. Bush as a president of the US, I would maybe put Jeb Bush. Well of course there are few chance but it sounds cooler to me .

Okay. The point of these remarks are just to make the scenario even better ! I think yours is pretty well thought for now and I consider that's great ! Once again, great job !

Another thing is that no one is currently in war at the beginning of the scenario... there are few chance the AI will attack the first so if you don't want the human player to be constrained to declare War, you should put few countries at war.

Moreover, if it's about China/Arab Alliance vs USA, you should put the EU in the locked alliance. I really don't see how the EU could choose the side of China.

 

[Esca]

The EU (apart from Britain) and China were both against the invasion of Iraq. As was Russia.

So it is concievable that they might form an alliance.

 

[muffins]

Thanks Marla! I really appreciate the feedback.
Yeah, I realise that leaving northern Canada and Siberia empty would attract lots of AI settler activity but I was attempting to reflect real world populations within the scenario and was constrained by Russia’s and the Neutral Leagues’ tiny populations. As a rule, a city of size 12 equals 20 million of population in the real world in this scenario so Russia equals only six cities of size 12. Had I spattered Siberia and Canada with, say, 10 cities each of size 1 to fill up these areas then it would have had the effect of an artificial boost for these civilisations – one settler requires 2 population to build so 10 small extra cities would equate 20 free population points. In any case these areas are largely empty in real life and are ripe for colonisation!
Yup, I took a liberty in giving the central Asian nations to the Arabs but it’s hard to guess who will dominate the region in 11 years time. The Russians, the Americans or the Muslim world? A bit of an each way bet.
As for Panama, I gave control of the Panama canal to the Latin Americans since the Panamanians kicked the US out and shut down their big base there in the late 1990’s (’98 or ’99, I forget). I think the Panamanians were a little shirty about getting invaded and all.
And lastly, I intended this scenario to be more of a simulation rather than a mission. It’s not a “US vs China” scenario but more of a “play any nation of 2015 and deal with their problems within the wider world” scenario.

 

[anzacborn]

Firstly, I'm just going to thank you for this scenario, it's good to see scenarios created with good political knowledge and intelligence.

Before I get started though I'm going to say that I haven't played your scenario yet (But I did visit your website, job well done by the way. I read some of your welldone articels and your WWIII 2015 scenario page) so this is purely a comment which is made on an assumtion of what you have created here...

One of the nations in your scenario is the "Muslim Nationalist Alliance", which if I am correct is an Alliance between the arab nations and some Islamic cities.
I don't mean this as an offence to your scenario (which I'm certain you must have worked hard to develop), I will simply point out this:
Based on what I've seen here you have potrayed a large number of Arabic nations of being purely muslim. A muslim nationalist alliance is possible, but extremely unlikely seeing as religon is a major reason why the arabic nations remain divided in the first place.
I point this out not because I think these are your beliefs on what the world will be like in 2015, but because many arabic christians may (I'm not saying they will) get offended by calling countries such as Lebanon, Syria ect. a part of a Muslim Alliance seeing as a great and large number of Arabs are dedicated christians.
I am not one to speak on behalf of arab christians but I do recommend you change the name of that particular nation due to the fact that you are specifing a particular religon to a group of people, and in turn using it as an identity.

Thanks once again for your hard work, your articels interest me so I will check back on your website.
Thankyou.