World War II

[Tigranes]

British-American troops secured Berlin*! Democratic ideology will be spread there next turn, Germans need to part with their Nazi ways and abstain from no less dangerous Communist poison.

 

[Tigranes]

Mass annihilation(4 Tu s) of Soviet Bombers was conducted this turn. No more air support for mean communists!

 

[academia]

War declared on Italy
The USSR couldnt stand the sight of puny Italy being used as a British puppet anymore.

*Venice liberated from the so-called democratic troops...
*Vienna emptied once again

 

[Tigranes]

Free Poland, furious with Hitler and Stalin, was reinstated during this turn with the strict adherence to house rules!

Spoiler :

 

[Tigranes]

Leningrad, the cradle of Red revolution was liberated by forces of democracy this turn! What a remarkable success story! British did what Nazis could not do in real life. And did I mention it is an objective city?

 

[academia]

Leningrad besieged and under heavy fire

 

[academia]

Leningrad liberated

 

[Luthor_Saxburg]

Is the USA at war with anyone or still neutral?

 

[academia]

Is the USA at war with anyone or still neutral?

still neutral

 

[Tigranes]

Well, USA is at war with Germany for quite some time. I was hoping to forge a Permanent Alliance with them already, but they still claim its too early France is ready, though, which would bring them at war with Soviets.

 

[Luthor_Saxburg]

My bet is that USA will never sign an alliance with UK... how much do you wanna bet?

In the other scenario you played did it came to that? I bet not. I am strongly suspicious that this is a possibility that almost for sure will not occur. It's potentially bad for you here (but not a major concern if you are already at the doors of Leningrad) but good in other PBEM's...

 

[Tigranes]

Well I had it once as British, but back then I was at war with Germany only. Perhaps USA does not want to join my war with Soviets. I need them for money and research anyway -- one can milk Uncle Sam close to 9K gold (they have that much saved by the beginning of 1941)...

If France agrees to merge with me, why would much bigger USA would not?

 

[Tigranes]

Wow! Great Britain claims IDEOLOGICAL VICTORY in WW2!!!

Total of 13 objective cities currently controlled by Western Allies ideology (out of 12 required). As one can check from the Opening Post, ""Ideology controls a city" means ideology is present in the city and city belongs to you or to the civ that shares your ideology."

Following countries with objective cities share Western Allies ideology:

Great Britain
France
USA
Western Scandinavia
Poland
Italy

Objective cities with Western Allies ideology are:

London
Glasgow
Baghdad
Cairo
Berlin
Konigsberg

Paris

Washington
New York

Oslo

Warsaw

Rome
Tripoli

Long live Democracy!LONG LIVE WESTERN ALLIES!!!​

Thank you kiwitt and academia! Great game, guys!

 

[academia]

mmm... i really dont feel comfortable with this...
i mean, those original house rules make sense from a typical WW2 situation... but right now, we are seeing a UK vs USSR conflict, and the UK and her allies havent captured any USSR-related objective city...

so... a USSR-UK conflict is stopping based on UK capturing cites from any other nations but USSR?!?!?!?! again, works from a classic WW2 scenario, but not under this context.
i feel that it was a mistake not updating rules after the retirement of kiwitt =(

i hope you reconsider this and we keep on playing. from a military point of view, this is far from over.

 

[Tigranes]

In principle I am fine with your arguments, but you need to see my side of it too. I was planing towards this type of outcome for a very long time. My suicide mission to Leningrad was to keep you distracted from Konigsberg. I was like -- I can afford loosing all those units, I am very close winning anyway, lets have some fun and keep him busy.

From the very beginning this was not a simple WW2 game, even though the title says it. Its was offered to all the players as a war of ideologies, with WW2 era related rules, of course. But it was all about who controls minds, not lands or who scores more kills. I returned entire Italy to Italy -- because I was planning for this type of victory and was assuming you are playing with the same goals as myself.

Why did I set 12 objective cities? In case of USSR my logic was this. If communism stays in original 6 Russian cities and you expand it to Poland (Warsaw, as in RL), Hungary (Budapest as in RL), Konigsberg (RL Kaliningrad), East Germany (Berlin, as in RL) plus you manage to do something about Austria, Vienna (wanted but never did) and Egypt/Iraq -- kind of did with socialist Egypt in RL -- than Communism would emerge as winning ideology, regardless of military victories.

 

[academia]

In principle I am fine with your arguments, but you need to see my side of it too. I was planing towards this type of outcome for a very long time. My suicide mission to Leningrad was to keep you distracted from Konigsberg. I was like -- I can afford loosing all those units, I am very close winning anyway, lets have some fun and keep him busy

exactly. your move in leningrad really draw my attention as i obviously set a trap there. so, i wondered... did he just fall for it / underestimated my counterattack / or did it as a distraction maneuver?

as you mention here:

But it was all about who controls minds, not lands or who scores more kills. I returned entire Italy to Italy -- because I was planning for this type of victory and was assuming you are playing with the same goals as myself.

i guess it´s a matter of "style of play". i mean, it´s a WW2 scenario... let´s fight for territory, destroy and kill everything, hehe. i dont pay much attention to "controlling minds", but on lands/kills.
my fault here. i have a different mindset/spirit when it comes to WW2, hehe.

Why did I set 12 objective cities? In case of USSR my logic was this. If communism stays in original 6 Russian cities and you expand it to Poland (Warsaw, as in RL), Hungary (Budapest as in RL), Konigsberg (RL Kaliningrad), East Germany (Berlin, as in RL) plus you manage to do something about Austria, Vienna (wanted but never did) and Egypt/Iraq -- kind of did with socialist Egypt in RL -- than Communism would emerge as winning ideology, regardless of military victories.

i totally agree on this on a WW2 scenario with a nazi germany. but i feel that the focus of the pbem changed when we moved to a Allies-USSR confrontation.
take a look all those cities that you mention... not even one belongs to the "western/capitalist europe world" post-ww2.
makes no sense to me from an Allies-USSR confrontation point of view. we should have updated those objectives. do you see my side of it?

in any case, i guess this is over. i dont wanna force you to keep on playing, as you obviously based your actions on the original house rules.
it just feels bittersweet not losing a WW2 game on the battlefield

 

[Tigranes]

i guess it´s a matter of "style of play". i mean, it´s a WW2 scenario... let´s fight for territory, destroy and kill everything, hehe. i dont pay much attention to "controlling minds", but on lands/kills.

In my opinion game's objectives (victories) in one way or another shape the playing style, so this is not only the matter of preference, as you know I am all for the kill and destroy. But ... there was no Hot War between Allies and Soviets, so I came up with such a solution that in principle enables Soviets to win without ever declaring on British (if you go against Italy instead of Egypt/Iraq).

You are always welcome to host your game with your rules I never had intentions to destroy Soviet army from the very beginning.

This particular scenario is bugged, especially Soviet fighters. I got in touch with some tough modders lets see if one of them could fix issues, before we ever play this again!

 

[academia]

You are always welcome to host your game with your rules I never had intentions to destroy Soviet army from the very beginning.

hahaha, and where´s the fun in that!!!

This particular scenario is bugged, especially Soviet fighters. I got in touch with some tough modders lets see if one of them could fix issues, before we ever play this again!

yep, i totally agree on that. the soviet win rate was insane!

in any case, congrats on your victory