World War III

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Anyone wana guess when WWIII will start (if it ever starts) ,how it will start and what the consequenses will be?

OK me first

when: Soon (i mean ,in the first five years)
how: North Korea nukes U.S
consequenses: The East will Rule!

and i'll be dead.

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(I think Bush is the Antichrist ,His stupidness is just a maskerade
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When: Never
How: No country is going to be dumb enough to start launching nukes left and right.
Consequences: We're going to figure out that war, except in civ, is a trivial practice, and the world will be a better place because of it.

 
So youre oppinion is that for the maybe million years humankind has still to live there will never be an WWIII ?
Its an oppinion.... (i'll respect it)
 
Obviously I can't predicte the future (I'm not Cleo after all
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) but I would hope that by this 'enlightened' time in our evolutionary process, we are mature enough to value human life to the degree that we don't need to start blasting the s*** out of each other to solve militaristic problems that could arise.

Yes, there will always be conflict, ongoing, but it will not grow to anything resembleing a World War 3. The minor, relatively weak nations that continue to fight cannot possibly draw the superpowers into a major battle. There are too many sensible countries, and obviously one in particular that would scare any country in their right mind into an immediate cease-fire.
 
when: don't know
how: somebody visiting N. Korea from S. Korea(in mile or so it is legal to go into)and picks their nose. N. Korea takes this as a signal of war and attacks the group. S. Korea then sends some forces to N. Korea and vice-versa. China sides with N. Korea and the US sides with S. Korea(like in the Korean war. Nukes start attacking everywhere.
consequences- many people are dead.
 
Keep quacking Ducky. OK, it is your opinion that WW3 will start in the next five years, and North Korea will suddenly go ape and nuke the US. But is this based any way in fact. Answer: NO.
North Korea does not yet even have missiles that can reach very far at all, and it would serve none of their purposes to "nuke U.S"

And if it comes to a nuclear exchange, the
conclusion that "the East will Rule!" is utterly erroneous and in no way based in fact. Go out and learn something of the military capacities of each nation, their ways of war fighting, and other matters, and then make an EDUCATED comment on the matter, rather than scaremongering.

WW3 is extremely unlikely, given the changing way of war, with new technologies and strategies emergent since 1945, surprisingly enough.

It seems that in your fears, you are living in the Cold War past as much as Bush and his advisors are. No state will condemn themselves to certain and utter destruction by the US or anyone else for that matter.
Not even an Arab or Asian state, where cultural concepts that influence policy are different (ie not based upon Greco-Roman logic and the Judeo-Christian ethic)

I don't fully go along with Cunobelin, as his vision is a bit utopian for my instincts, but I agree that NO ONE IS THAT STUPID THESE DAYS!!!!!!!!

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The Korean War never ended... however, if the Korea situation becomes active again, it still probably not become a European war, much less a World War. As time passes, the alignments are much less east-west, BTW.

As for triggers, there are even more likely scenarios, including several India-Pakistan possibilities, Middle East/Isreal conflicts, and of course the Taiwan/China option. All of these have very high risks of nuclear deployment for the first time since 1945.

The evil Red Chinese and North Koreans cannot yet reach mainland America with nuclear missiles because Bill Clinton and Al Gore left office before they could finish betraying America by transferring certain critical missile and guidance technology to the forces of evil.

However, the French are arming anyone who has a few francs to cough up.

In short, it is fairly unlikely that WW III will occur in the next 5 or so years. If it does, it will not likely involve a US-involved exchange of nukes. It will probably begin elsewhere in the 3rd world and spread as nations choose sides. It will likely remain a "limited" WW III.

[This message has been edited by starlifter (edited July 04, 2001).]
 
from Simon Darkshade:

OK, it is your opinion that WW3 will start in the next five years, and North Korea will suddenly go ape and nuke the US. But is this based any way in fact. Answer: NO

Well it's just a (wild) guess ,i know it's not a fact!

North Korea does not yet even have missiles that can reach very far at all, and it would serve none of their purposes to "nuke U.S"

Nobody knows how far North Korea stands in nuclear possibilety's.In 1999 they had a small A bomb.For as far as i know ,in that time they coulda have bought technolegies for bigger rokets or nuclear submarine's.
(Wich all can be bought from Russia)
And Has North Korea a purpose anyway besides building war material?

And if it comes to a nuclear exchange, the conclusion that "the East will Rule!" is utterly erroneous and in no way based in fact. Go out and learn something of the military capacities of each nation, their ways of war fighting, and other matters, and then make an EDUCATED comment on the matter, rather than scaremongering.

Af course it's not a fact ,its just a guess.
(This topic was ment for fun you know)
Afcourse i know that the cappacitie today of NATO is way bigger than the east ,millitary and economy.But throw a nuke on silicon vally and texas and there goes youre economy and millitary difference.


WW3 is extremely unlikely, given the changing way of war, with new technologies and strategies emergent since 1945, surprisingly enough.

That is what the league of nations thought in the 1920's.

It seems that in your fears, you are living in the Cold War past as much as Bush and his advisors are. No state will condemn themselves to certain and utter destruction by the US or anyone else for that matter.

If Bush is living in the cold war past ,doesn't it say much about the risks.

from starlifter:

As for triggers, there are even more likely scenarios, including several India-Pakistan possibilities, Middle East/Isreal conflicts, and of course the Taiwan/China option. All of these have very high risks of nuclear deployment for the first time since 1945.

Of this three the china/taiwan and middle east/Israel are the most dangerous for western country's.India-pakistan is more a local problem.
But why has a nation be the trigger.
Gavrillo Princip (the serb that Killed The Austrian emperor Frans Ferdinant II and so triggering WWI) was an individual.
What for exampel Osama Bin laden ordering one of his men to put a nuke in America?
Are the chances so small?
And if something like this would happen ,you think it wouldn have reprecussions?

from Cunobelin:

Obviously I can't predicte the future (I'm not Cleo after all ) but I would hope that by this 'enlightened' time in our evolutionary process, we are mature enough to value human life to the degree that we don't need to start blasting the s*** out of each other to solve militaristic problems that could arise.

You know i hope that to.But do you think mankind has become a lot wizer since WWII?
(I mean A LOT?)


But you know ,i cant say this post of me here is really siriuos.It was just to know if anybody here had fears about that (or not)
Afcourse my statements look like questionable
It was just an example.


 
I have had recurring dreams of a Nuclear war since I was a small child, and still to this day they continue. I can't say when or how WW3 will start - but if there is one during my lifetime I am sure that I will die instantly as a result of it. And that's probably for the best.

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In order for a war to be named WW3, all the following nations have to be involved at the very least - USA, Russia, China, the European states and Japan. So what's the possibility of that? Close to nil. Russia is financially and economically crippled while China is busy with its main internal problem - social unrest. I don't think America, Japan or any of the European states will want to start a major war since their citizens enjoy the comforts of peace. So no WW3.
However there will probably be localized wars where nukes would be used like as stated above; Pakistan vs India, Israel vs an Arab country etc. But no WW3 for at least within the next 50 yrs (after which I'll prob be dead and buried).
 
First of all, North Korea is not going to nuke the U.S., so forget that.
(We have Julie Delpy in the south, watching over us
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I doubt that any countries near each other are going to use nukes on each other.
A little prevailing wind, and the nuker suffers too.

The one country that has always botherd me, ever more than U.S.S.R., is China.
Seems to me they would go to war just to institute population controls.

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There are several matters that merit attention, Ducky.

Firstly, there is knowledge of the status of NK nuclear development. They will not buy bigger rockets, or subs. No one will sell that type of thing to them, and if they did, it might be "accidentaly" damaged..
The sub would be a sitting target for US and other attack subs, and would be sunk the moment it looks like launching.

It is not in the interest of NK or any other state to start a war, nuclear or otherwise. It is like a 3 year old kid attacking a CVBG- impossible to countenance. Leaders of states may be evil, and mad, but not SUICIDAL. It matters not what NK's purpose is; it cannot and will not launch against the US.

"Throw a nuke on Silicon valley and texas"
That might damage the US economy, and knock out George's ranch, but the missiles are in the Dakotas, and the carrier battle groups are out there on the sea. This is so unlikely a scenario as to be sheer fantasy. Both of those generalized targets would be very far down the SIOP list of targets, or equivalent.

What I think is vastly different from the bloody League of Nations. The change in tech from WW1 to WW2 was significant, but is dwarfed by the changes since. War is different, and is fought differently. Information warfare and the use of cyberspace is a frontier just opening. There is also guerilla warfare, and low intensity conflict; by no means a new phenomena, but has been the main form of conflict since WW2.
There have been few, 'old fashioned' wars.
I ain't spouting "peace in our time" or any other League or Chamberlain or Daladier crap. I am pointing out that tactics, tech, equipment, strategy, attitudes, warfighting, all have changed vastly, and continue to do so.

If Bush is living in the past, it is a risk, but there are many safeguards built into the system. There is no button, he can accidently press during a nap; otherwise Klinton would have knocked it during the throes of Lewinsky-ecstasy, and bought about a swift Armageddon.
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He will not and cannot nuke anyone without a bloody good cause. No other state is stupid enough to condemn themselves to death outright.

China and Taiwan will keep sabre rattling. that will be all for a long while.

Israel will preserve its territorial integrity against any comers, but not go nuclear in its immediate vicinity. Baghdad maybe, but not Damascus. The US would step in on Israel's side, but who would join the Arabs? Greenland? Canada? NZ?

Princip's shooting of ARCHDUKE Franz Ferdinand was just the final teensy winsy little spark to the 10 storey powder keg that was Europe. If not his deed, some other excuse would have been found. Speculation on the roles of individuals is a big "what if?", and those proove nothing?
What if Hitler had died in WW1? would nothing have happened? Maybe, maybe not.

Bin Laden having a nuke planted in America is the example of the biggest threat. I have said this before in my refutation of NMD. Nothing could stop that, and the reaction would be attacks on his whereabouts and sponsors the likes of which have never been seen. Already the Taliban are trying to rein him in a bit, and distance themselves from him. They may want to be martyred, but not if it actually means THEY get killed
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Terrorism is a threat, but its reponse is not world war. Mankind has not grown wiser or nicer; they have just learnt from experience somewhat, and the world has changed. Woof.

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If I ran the circus, and this will piss somebody off probably, I'd have a team of elite snipers take out Bin Laden, Saddam, etc.
Cut the head off the snake, and the body is no threat.
Just my opinion.

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[This message has been edited by SlowwHand (edited July 04, 2001).]
 
That would work, but some of the bureaucrats are worried about the precedent such an action would take. If some trial in absentisia was conducted prior to the op, then I would have no problem with authorizing it. It all comes down to political will.

There is an utterly magnificent book on this very topic (ex-Special Forces hired to shoot Saddam): "Shadow Over Babylon" by David Mason.
It has my stamp of approval, and has stimulated my already big interest in ballistics and guns. Then again, I'm a military and Special Forces affecianado anyway
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But, doing the job properly would be good, but has the possibilty of repurcusions from agrieved followers.

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Well OK ,you guys make all strong points.Its maybe not so likely that a WWIII would start today ,but then again ,i ask an oppinion when you would think it would happen.
But will the world in 10 years be the same like it was now?
Look at the world difference between 1928 & 1938.
ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN.
Eventually ,it's above us.Nobody can say with surtiness what will happen in 10 years.
In that case i think ("its my oppinion") ,or even fear world diplomatic relations will detteriorate.(i even fear its happening right now) But its just a GUESS.

Certainly ,i'm no political advisor.I don't have all the knowledge ,no'r the answers.
I think there are a lot more better educated and experianced people than me on this forum.
Then again ,i'm only 20 years old so....
(i have a lot to learn)

But i know that even how strong youre points are you guys out there, (slowwhand,darkshade,cunobelin,...)
you can only call it your'e oppinion.
But i respect youre knowledge (although i have my oppinion)
 
The only threat the world need worry about is the insidious take over by a stunningly intelligent and evil man from the Antipodes, who will institute a horrible totalitarian dictatorship where anyone named Nigel and wearing a tweed jacket will be mercilessly shot with water pistols.

The streets will flow red with cordial, and the vengeance of God will be upon the world, particularly a small uninhabited island off Greenland. There will be a mighty erection

Of statues and monuments to his myriad glories and poetry.
Several letters of the alphabet will be carved into the Earth's crust, so they are visible from space - E, S, N, A, in no particular order.

The world will change, and it will be due to the dark shade of one man unfortunately named after a dolphin...me....

You make your best point in saying that anything can happen in 10 years. The events of 1989 were not forseen in 1979.
Keep reading and learing, and you will come to the inescapable conclusion that my opinion is the best, like everyone else has
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Just learn to make EDUCATED guesses. They are far more likely to turn out real.

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Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you.
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I don't like this anymore ,they are making fun of me.
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And i just tried SO hard to make myself interresting. But nobody wona be my friend.
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Please ,KILL ME
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I decided ,i gonna kill myself ,and i will post a topic around it so you can decide how.
 
Duck, don't say your gonna shoot yourself! That shits not funny!
Anyway back to the WW3 subject.
Whoever posted About NK being a giant crater before their nukes hit the US is correct.
NORAD would detect those missles most likey a couple of minutes after launching if not at the moment of launching.
We dispatch our B-52s and what not from Japan and nuke them.
But i personnally believe that China/Taiwan is the biggest threat to start a war.
Don't you all remember back in 97 or 98 China was moving in on Taiwan threatening to attack or something telling them to hand over the country, and we put the 7th Naval Fleet on high alert and sent them to confront the chinese which we did.
I was pretty sure when that happened, the **** was gonna hit the fan.
I'm not to worried about the Middle East. Israel has shown in the past taht it can take care of all of them by itself (Yom-Kippur War, and the 7 Days War(7?)

Yes most of our Nuclear Silo's are in the Mid-West. Actually there's 10 or so here in arkansas i think 100miles north of here.
But most of our nuclear weapons aren't in the silo's but in our Subs and bases around the world and in the US for the B-52s.
 
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