DaviddesJ
Deity
It's not "people" who are complaining, it's just him. He complains about everything. He also complained about the Deity GOTM15 because ... it was hard to win.
WOTM 06 Results & Congratulations
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It's not "people" who are complaining, it's just him. He complains about everything. He also complained about the Deity GOTM15 because ... it was hard to win.
I did not trued challenge and lost. I play challenger every time.
I did not finish the game becaus it is not fun. Most other people do not play challenger often. I think I have very valid complain and I do not undestand luck of any comments form orgonisers. I think we should have discussion about what challenger mean, seem orgonisers have different ideas.
No no one known disadvantages befor downloading save.
Advertased disadvantage was AI having higher heal/happiness cap.
In reality AI had a lots of additional bonuses not listed.
In addition in challenger you never know real extent of AI bonuses. For example, AI had bonus technology. What does it mean? I had feeling that in that case AI was given Calendar as a bonus. AI had Calendar resource for trade the moment I researched sailing, which I did resonably early.
We relying on orgonisers to provide resonable challenge save.
I did not finish the game becaus it is not fun. Most other people do not play challenger often. I think I have very valid complain and I do not undestand luck of any comments form orgonisers. I think we should have discussion about what challenger mean, seem orgonisers have different ideas.
No no one known disadvantages befor downloading save.
Advertased disadvantage was AI having higher heal/happiness cap.
In reality AI had a lots of additional bonuses not listed.
In addition in challenger you never know real extent of AI bonuses. For example, AI had bonus technology. What does it mean? I had feeling that in that case AI was given Calendar as a bonus. AI had Calendar resource for trade the moment I researched sailing, which I did resonably early.
We relying on orgonisers to provide resonable challenge save.
DaviddesJ
Deity
I think that's a plus. I like the unexpected.
If you don't like it, then don't play it. How hard is that to understand? You could certainly tell from the challenger description (and the pre-game discussion) that no one knew for sure exactly how hard it would be.
Personally, what I dislike is the games where challenger is just a very minimal handicap, like "one extra technology for AIs". That makes the game virtually identical to normal. It defeats the point of providing a different option.
But you don't see me whining on and on and on about it.
I just hope the admins aren't listening to you and dissuaded from providing interesting additional challenges in the future.
DaviddesJ
Deity
why is that?
This is something I don't understand. Each months, some (good players') saves are missing. What's wrong on those saves?
You are wrong, the challenger bonuses are known before the game, so you don't have the right to complain about results being invalid. I do agree with you though that challenger shouldn't be THAT hard.Mutineer said:
I didn't really do anything special this time, settled 4 cities on the starting island in the same place where most players did. Beelined to construction and rushed swords/cats/elephants everywhere. Vassalage helped a lot too, although I miscalculated some things because of that. (Some AIs caiptulated easily, while others were stubborn, and Augustus fought to the bitter end, which led to wrong distribution of forces between the 3 fronts.) Sorry for not posting a detailed writeup, I didn't have enough time for that. But you can find all the tricks about fast conquest in the CFR SGOTM-2 thread.cabert said:congrats to Obormot
Seeing how I got low on production, I can't imagine how he did finish this fast .
The admins have, in fact, responded to complaints about the difficulty of the Challenger settings for this game. They explained how they tested the game, and that it didn't appear that it would be as difficult as it turned out to be. I think that's a prefectly reasonable explanation for what happened.
We must always bear in mind that Gyathaar, AlanH, and ainwood put in a lot of work to make this entire thing possible, for which they get no compensation. Heck, they don't even get to play the games they are running. If we feel that one of them has made a mistake, well of course we should provide feedback. I'm sure they want to do the best job that they can. But at the same time we have to be understanding that they are only human and that mistakes are inevitable. Those mistakes shouldn't be taken personally.
Mutineer, I'm sorry that you had a bad experience with this game. The same goes to anyone else who tried Challenger difficulty and found themselves in a situation they weren't expecting. But just because the game was, apparently, ruined for you, does not mean it should be ruined for everyone else. And that's exactly what would happen if the admins were to throw out all of the results, as you (and as far as I can see, you alone) apparently want them to do.
We must always bear in mind that Gyathaar, AlanH, and ainwood put in a lot of work to make this entire thing possible, for which they get no compensation. Heck, they don't even get to play the games they are running. If we feel that one of them has made a mistake, well of course we should provide feedback. I'm sure they want to do the best job that they can. But at the same time we have to be understanding that they are only human and that mistakes are inevitable. Those mistakes shouldn't be taken personally.
Mutineer, I'm sorry that you had a bad experience with this game. The same goes to anyone else who tried Challenger difficulty and found themselves in a situation they weren't expecting. But just because the game was, apparently, ruined for you, does not mean it should be ruined for everyone else. And that's exactly what would happen if the admins were to throw out all of the results, as you (and as far as I can see, you alone) apparently want them to do.
and someone gets hurt! 
MarkM
Cow Herder
Congrats to all the award winners! I wasn't able to finish, but even if I had, at best I would have just barely squeaked out a space victory or something like that.
This might be a bit late to write in this thread but I hope somebody will read this about the challanger/contender discussion:
Why not add the color of the type played in the global ranking as well? It wont change the position but at least then you get some kind of credit in the global rankings for chosing the harder option?
I usually play challager myself because I find it more enjoyable, however I am also a poor loser I so dont like it when people are placed better then me just because they played easier games. This will probably move me to contender in the future (as it already did in the game that removed a clam as I thought that made the games uncomparable).
Why not add the color of the type played in the global ranking as well? It wont change the position but at least then you get some kind of credit in the global rankings for chosing the harder option?
I usually play challager myself because I find it more enjoyable, however I am also a poor loser I so dont like it when people are placed better then me just because they played easier games. This will probably move me to contender in the future (as it already did in the game that removed a clam as I thought that made the games uncomparable).
Nice idea, Thorrez.
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