WOTM 15 First Spoiler

@Ronnie1

You should submit even if you've lost - it gives a better reflection of how people found the game.

Except I was so disgusted with my effort that I had to try again immediately! Second time through I'm going for Diplo. I have devided the sides into 2 religious factions after founding the first 4 religions. I was getting ready to spread the non-favored Hindu to Stalin, but Brennus founded Christianity so saved me the trouble.
 
I haven't finished yet, and will submit when I have...but I'm definitely not going to replay it...I really despise this maptype for some reason, so will not subject myself to it again after I finish this game :)
 
In my testgame I did a warrior rush on the nearest AI, where 3 attacking warriors easily beat one defending warrior. In the actual GOTM I did exactly the same with London. Im starting to think that this is a mandatory strategy on prince and below.

Another neat thing was that, after founding hinduism in Delhi, I founded buddhism 1 turn after capturing London. So I basically started the game with two holy cities :) Didn't need a cultural building for the second city.

warrior rush! I didn´t even think of trying that. What a great idea. :goodjob:

I built two more cities additional to Delhi before I built axes. Then I already had to take 4 english cities before Liz was finally off the map. With 7 cities in the BC´s I ran research at 10% for a while. What a mass

I guess I should have waited a bit more to found a currency or something similar to get more gold.

But anyway. I didn´t stuck in the mud at all and recovered. But of course it took a while and in 500 AD I had no real goal how to win the game. All chances of winning an award where already gone. I decided to go for normal domination. We´ll see in the final spoiler how it ended.:)
 
My goal was fastest domination victory. The oasis map is huge so one of the biggest problems was going to be land area.

Ideally, I wanted to rush a couple of the closest AI’s before they start settling too many stupid cities (no city razing). After that I would march on the more formidable cities of a couple more AI and settle the desert in between with size 1 cities.

As a minimum I wanted Caste System, Great Wall, and Maths for chopping. If things went slower than I thought, I would research Construction for more military, Currency to help commerce and Feudalism for the power to vassalize.

It played out like this:

Settled on the rice and started worker first. I researched hunting -> animal husbandry -> archery -> bronze working -> wheel

I ran a few tests and fancied my chances of running one AI down with archers if they were close enough. Once Elizabeth’s starting warrior met me on turn 8 I knew it was on. I sat 4 archers outside her borders and waited for the opportune time. I struck around about 1900BC and took her out capturing two workers all for the cost of two archers!

Once I found bronze I settled a meagre city that whipped a monument to claim the copper in the first expansion. I sent some archers up north to France and led my axemen to follow, as soon as I got a few of them built. Paris and Orleans were in excellent positions so I decided to take them as soon as I could and just endure the maintenance costs.

My archers got there just in time to kill a settler escort and then force the French workers back into the cities. Once I got 5-6 axes together I marched on Orleans. Napoleon emptied his capital down to two defenders when he sent an archer attack party that was easily dispatched. I took Paris, leaving one French city left, and got peace for Iron Working (I had alphabet by this time).

Back at home the captured London built the Great Wall and the Oracle to get me free Code of Laws, while Delhi was working on the Pyramids.

I settled one more city near the south western cows and deer that pumped out a few workers and then acted as a secondary GP farm.

My workers made a road between Delhi and Paris – but a barb town appeared midway along the Nile to break the link. I captured the barb city giving me ivory!

Now I prepared for a war against Brennus and Toku. My initial axe army in the north primed up for Japan with reinforcements coming from Paris and Orleans. In the south, London started building an axe army to go after Brennus.

I could see now that I wasn’t going to get anywhere near a BC finish and I needed to consider some more techs. With Pyramids (representation) and Caste System I could research Construction and Literature while running merchants that would pop a GM to bulb Currency for me.

My next wars: In the north, once I had a few catapults in the pile I took the last French city before he could make another settler and then moved my stack towards Japan.

My southern stack mobilised a little bit later and headed right for Brennus’ capital.

From memory, this is roughly where I got to at 500AD. Orleans had the Heroic Epic and was pumping out reinforcements, Paris had National Epic and was working on Great Artists to help with the land area needed for domination. I had researched Music with the bulbs from my specialists (to get the free Great Artist) and had just begun researching Feudalism very slowly (had traded Monarchy from Mehmed).

I had a band of merry workers following just behind my stacks building roads and chopping out reinforcements. Some of the cities back home starting building settlers to get ready for the last push.

I was still a loooong way off the domination land area, I had somewhere around 15% and needed 64%! The population was also looking a little worrying as Mehmed continued to build up some massive cities and built the Hanging Gardens too.

Stay tuned…
 
I was also going for fastest domination and had a similar game to Jimmy Thunder.

I did a warrior rush and took London in 3250BC losing just 1 of my 3 warriors as I got a lucky roll on the 2nd attack. My warriors headed out to steal workers when I ran into Brennus and stole a worker in 2800BC. I was shocked to find his capital with a single warrior and debated attacking to see if I could also take it as my warriors had promotions by now but figured the maintenance would kill me even if I was able to take it so instead I did the whole cease fire wait by a resource declare when a worker shows up then rinse and repeat. This I did 3 times with Brennus before he finally decided to use an archer to guard his worker, I guess he got desperate considering it was 955BC and he didn't have a single worked tile.

I founded Bombay in 2200BC between Delhi and London near the Deer and Cow. London built Stonehenge in 2110BC in order to allow cities to expand borders without building anything and to get a GP for settling as I knew money would be an issue. Bombay immediately started on the Great Wall allowing me to leave lots of land unsettled until the end without having to worry about barbs, it was completed in 835BC. And the capital built the Oracle in 1000BC which I wanted to use to get really early catapults and to also get a GP for settling in a city for the cash and hammers. I made 1 more settler and sent him to the northern floodplain (730BC) area with the intention of cottage spamming that city.

My research had been Hunting > AH > Masonry > Writing > Wheel > Meditation > Priesthood > BW. I farmed up a GS from the capital and used it to get Math and then took Construction with Oracle. The rest of my research was Ag > Pottery > CoL > Currency > Fishing.

One of my exploring warriors found Napolean and stole a worker before sitting outside of one of his cities 1 tile away from a copper source that he was trying to hook up. I just stayed fortified there denying him metal until I was ready to march on him with my all cat force I was amassing until CoL came in so I didn't go completely broke. Meanwhile to the west I declared on Mehmed to steal a worker and pillaged the road between 2 of his cities. When we called a cease fire he sent 2 workers out to fix the road and I declared again. After the next cease fire he sent 3 more workers and I stole those also. Bringing my stolen worker count to 10 who would work the top few tiles for a city, chop, or make roads to the frontlines and hook up new resources.

The RNG wasn't kind in my war with Nappy so it took me longer than I wanted to wipe him out but he was eliminated in 230AD. That war produced a Great General in 80AD which I used to give xp to my new stack that was ready to attack Brennus. So I had a a veteran stack in the north and one in the south. In 305AD I declared on both Tokugawa and Brennus taking all of Brennus's cities, who was still incredibly weak from my worker steals, eliminating him and gave Tokugawa peace when he was down to just a single city which he had captured from barbs way to the west that I wasn't interested in. All of this happened right near the 500AD cutoff. All my cities were building Courthouses, Settlers, or wealth. I got another Great General in 440 AD and used it to further promote my units.

The next part of the plan was to have my remaining troops join up and take Mehmed's land, take out the number of barb cities that had spawned, and settle the rest of the land with settlers, build the Hanging Gardens the next turn, switch to Caste System and hire an artist in each of those cities so they would expand borders getting me to the domination limit before I went completely broke.
 
Nice game Harok, I am loathed to say that from your description you would be at least 300 years ahead of me.

I am especially impressed with the worker stealing. I might try that at the start of the game but then for some reason never think of doing later on, or even over and over like you have demonstrated. :goodjob:

I'm sure you would have bet me in score too, since finishing the Hanging Gardens the turn after you settle 20-30 cities is a big boost, and Mehmed had already built it in my game.
 
Interesting game this month, as my goal was fastest conquest - but the no city razing option completely blocks the standard BC-era axe-rush, due to the massive maintenance costs from captured cities.

I decided to try an experimental strategy to see if a BC (or ancient era) rush was still possible, by vacating AI cities after capture, and allowing the barbs to recapture at the first opportunity, thus eliminating maintenance costs and allowing the conquest to continue.

Opening game went fairly smoothly:
- settled on the rice
- 2nd city next to copper
- 3rd city on the bananas (to work cottaged river tiles for commerce)
- stole workers from all 3 southern AI and left fortified forest-hill warriors to slow down their expansion
- starting building roads north across the desert with the plan to take out the most distant AI first.

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On reaching the north, met Toka first and as he was current score leader, I took out the first few of his cities while passing, and left them for the barbs (who were happy to oblige). 625 BC. So far so good...

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I knew now that Stalin was my most distant neighbour and continued west leaving 1 axe to protect the barb cities (from the AI) and prevent Toka hooking up his horses and metals.

Stalin was easily eliminated in 5AD and by 185AD all but one of his cities have been recaptured and are safely in barb hands.

My stack now includes upwards of 15 (captured) fast workers which allows rapid chopping of reinforcements in captured cities, and roadbuilding at the frontline. Using the fast workers ability to move into jungle / hills / forest and complete a road the same turn, my axe stack is moving 2 tiles per turn allowing for rapid conquest (working like a free mobility promo for all my axes). I am also careful to build roads around all my captured cities so that after they fall to barbs, new cities at the frontline remain connected to my capital's copper (for chopping axe reinforcements while my cities await the barbs).

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However, my finances are starting to get unstuck. After reaching 800+ :gold: from captured cities, I had decided to tech mathematics (~400 :science:) for the chopping bonus, and eventually leading to construction for cats. Big mistake, as the pickings are slimmer from Mehmed (less advanced than Stalin, perhaps due to my initial worker steal and early war) and worse, the supply of barbs to recapture AI cities is beginning to dry up... :eek:

By 395AD, Mehmed has also been eliminated but no barbs are spawning to take his cities (despite all Russian lands now in barb hands) and the situation is looking increasingly dire... -61 gpt with 90 :gold: in the treasury. :eek:

I begin disbanding units and attacking at lower and lower odds, and am just able to keep things going until 500 AD, capturing one of Brennus' cities for gold (then allowing him to reacapture) before completely abandonning the SW front. Meanwhile, I take a primitive English city on a river for cottaging, and several more Japanese cities, including Toka's capital (which the barbs capture while still in revolt) . But it is all too little, too late...

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At 500AD, my units are on strike, and with so many undefended cities still unclaimed by the barbs, I will be running a deficit even after all units are disbanded, preventing me from building any new units either... :eek:

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In hindsight, I think this strategy could still be effective, but with some significant tweaks:
- not researching mathematics or writing (save the cash for the war effort); maybe ironworking if required / possible at the end; (but on Prince level, even the toughest cities can be taken without cats)
- improving, rather than pillaging, AI cities that are subsequently captured by the barbs, to stimulate barb unit production
- an extra cottage city at the start
- possibly relocating the palace early on to a more central location.

Thanks to the staff for the map - this has been a very different and interesting game!! Doesn't look like a successful outcome for me though this time... :crazyeye:
 
At 500AD, my units are on strike, and with so many undefended cities still unclaimed by the barbs, I will be running a deficit even after all units are disbanded, preventing me from building any new units either... :eek:

That looks recoverable-from to me (although you probably won't get fastest conquest :) ). Pull your workers back so they are the last units to be disbanded (I think it's the furthest from the capital that get disbanded first, no? Not sure now I think about it). Use the 40 turns you have before they disappear to cottage like mad in cities whose location makes it unlikely they'll be recaptured by the AI (or: make peace with all the AI you can with - see if any will accept a (completely pillaged, size 1) city or two for peace). Don't poprush anything more, just let cities grow while working all the commerce tiles you can and I bet you'll find within 30 or so turns you'll be able to afford some units again. Though you'll have to wait till your economy is in much better shape before you capture any more cities. Use any spare units to pillage the AI so it doesn't get too far ahead. And as soon as you can afford some research, go for currency or code of laws.
 
Thanks for the suggestions. I do believe this is still winable, but it's not going to set any records.

My plan is to gift Liz all of my outlying cities in exchange for peace, which should put me back in the black for the time being (and at 500AD she has still to improve a single tile, so not much of a threat).

Then I will probably camp out outside some of the weaker AI cities waiting for stray barb units to show up, and wait until the barbs are outside before capturing the cities.

I have also nearly finished rebuilding my capital in a more central location, and will then open a second front with Nappy - the only AI I have not yet DOWd, so he should now have some plunder-rich cities to capture (and hopefully he will hurry up and discover alphabet soon so I can get some tech's as well... fingers crossed for currency)!

All to be revealed in the final spoiler!
 
Some of you guys are amazing.

At 0AD, I had 5 cities. I founded two and took London and Nottingham from Elizabeth and Vienne from Brennus. So I have a reasonable amount of land, but my economy is a mess. I can't believe some people had Civil Service by this time. I am still researching Code of Laws.
 
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