Thrawn
Emperor
I seriously hope you're talking about the small one here. The normal sized one is just way too huge.
Everyone I've spoken to prefers the ps2 controller.
Xbox..PS2...GC
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I seriously hope you're talking about the small one here. The normal sized one is just way too huge.
Everyone I've spoken to prefers the ps2 controller.
Silverflame
OBJECTION!
You know how when you try to suprise a friend you act real serious and pretend that nothing's happening? Yeah, that's exactly what SK is doing right now. Yes, there is currently no evidence that this is a publicity stunt, but there is no evidence that it is either. Before you point to the official stories, just take a look at what I came up with once again. All the things I found are simply too coincidential for this to be a regular break off. Especially the part with the 3's.
When SK announced at IGN that this is real and they would never joke about something like this, he seemed to turn down the possibility too quickly, kind of like the same way you would tell a friend you are not planning a suprise for him.
The biggest evidence is the fact that they still have not changed their site. It's been what, two or three weeks since the break-off, and the giant Nintendo logo is STILL there. When Rare left Nintendo, the affiliates on their site were changed the day after.
Yes, the possiblity of the stunt is unlikely. But if it were true, this would be the perfect way to announce their newest game. Until E3, I will not give up hope, as this E3 will be the make-or-break moment for Nintendo.
When SK announced at IGN that this is real and they would never joke about something like this, he seemed to turn down the possibility too quickly, kind of like the same way you would tell a friend you are not planning a suprise for him.
The biggest evidence is the fact that they still have not changed their site. It's been what, two or three weeks since the break-off, and the giant Nintendo logo is STILL there. When Rare left Nintendo, the affiliates on their site were changed the day after.
Yes, the possiblity of the stunt is unlikely. But if it were true, this would be the perfect way to announce their newest game. Until E3, I will not give up hope, as this E3 will be the make-or-break moment for Nintendo.
That site hasn't hade an update since 2003.
Its no joke or trick..hehehe.Its a done deal.Contracts have been fulfilled and NOT renewed.
The door is open for future projects but that is all.
Its no joke or trick..hehehe.Its a done deal.Contracts have been fulfilled and NOT renewed.
The door is open for future projects but that is all.
KaNick
Deity
Nothing substantial has happened since 2003. Surely becoming a third party company would make it.
FireBall
Friendly Ball of Fire
There are, as aforementioned, about 10-15 thousand people playing online at any given gtime on Ps2 and Xbox... Also, many iof Nintendo's games could really use an lonline component (F-Zero, Mario Golf etc..) and many of the Ps2 and Xbox counterparts of those games do have online play, or at least downloadable content in the case of the Xbox.
Archer 007
Rebirth
I am talking about the S. The layout is alot more natural then PS2's small buttons.
Silverflame
OBJECTION!
That is likely, but that does not eliminate the possibility that this is a publicity stunt. Since it is very possible, and would be absolutely perfect if it happened at E3, one can hope.
Those numbers are not enough to make up the biggest con of online play: Money. Money is evil. Just look at my sig.
FireBall
Friendly Ball of Fire
Wha td oyou mean? Most games for the Ps2 have no monthly fee, unless you go into MMORPG's, for which a monthly fee is unsubstitutable... And games rolling out with online play generally sell better than games without, unlesss the game really sucks, in which case online play can't fix anything... But really, if you go in to buy a game, unless you have a GC, there's a likelihood you'll buy a game with online a play over a game without, unless of course you have a set game in mind when you go to the store, even then, online play has most likely influenced what game you're set on buying...
As for money for the makers, Sony and Microsft recieve quite a bit of money from online players, through hedset purchases, or network adapters, or whatever they have, since Sony doesn't set up a service for games, it costs them nothing, since they need very few servers.
Silverflame
OBJECTION!
I'm talking about the companies. Microsoft is losing millions, more millions, and even billions on Xbox live. Do they care? Of course not, they're Microsoft for crying out loud! They've been losing money on every Xbox sold way back when it still sold for $300, just look at how much they must be losing now. But they're Microsoft, and if it will cost billions to gain a strong foothold in the console industry, then they'll all for it.
Sony is also losing quite a bit of money on online games, although not quite as much. That is why even with their extremely high PS2 sales Nintendo is still making more of a profit from the $99 Gamecubes. AND Sony still has the other entertainment product departments to fall back onto. So that's why they support online, but not as heavily as Microsoft does.
Nintendo is only a game company. They have no other department to fall back onto. All they have is their Gamecube and GBA. That is why they cannot afford to support the online industry for this generation. I think they have about six billion in their savings (not sure if US or yen...), and I heard that they are spending quite a large sum for the nextgen. I would actually be suprised if Nintendo still didn't support going online for the next generation of consoles.
Sony is also losing quite a bit of money on online games, although not quite as much. That is why even with their extremely high PS2 sales Nintendo is still making more of a profit from the $99 Gamecubes. AND Sony still has the other entertainment product departments to fall back onto. So that's why they support online, but not as heavily as Microsoft does.
Nintendo is only a game company. They have no other department to fall back onto. All they have is their Gamecube and GBA. That is why they cannot afford to support the online industry for this generation. I think they have about six billion in their savings (not sure if US or yen...), and I heard that they are spending quite a large sum for the nextgen. I would actually be suprised if Nintendo still didn't support going online for the next generation of consoles.
KaNick
Deity
Silverflame, how many times do you think that you will have to repeat yourself before people understand. 
Silverflame
OBJECTION!
I don't know... this thread is going to turn out as all the other threads about the three consoles again, everyone just drops their arguments, and the thead dies. Maybe I should start another Nintendo thread again... even though last time it pretty much turned into my personal spam thread.
Thrawn
Emperor
Not with me. I prefer a game with a solid single player component. Unless I'm specifically looking for a multiplayer game, but that doesn't happen terribly much.
Maybe Nintendo should restart on what they originally started making (Playing cards) so they have something to fall back on.
Silverflame
OBJECTION!
They DO have playing cards... sort of. They have these weird E-card things that can unlock stuff in GBA games with an E-reader or something. Yeah, I'm just as clueless about that sort of thing as you are.
But I actually like how Nintendo is only focused on games. Everyone else is trying to merge the gaming industry with their other departments. Look at Sony's "PSX" that completely bombed in Japan, which is basically a PS2 with a bunch of different add-ons. Microsoft is trying to make the Xbox like a PC... Nokia has their taco N-Gage
And what does Nintendo offer? Strictly game-related hardware. And you know, when I want a console I want it to play games, not all that other stuff. I already have two DVD players, I don't need another one. If I wanted an MP3 player, I would get my own. If they want to stick all that extra stuff on as an option, that's fine, but don't make the focus on games suffer as a result. So far the gaming peripherals haven't, but I have a feeling they will start to detract from the games eventually.
But I actually like how Nintendo is only focused on games. Everyone else is trying to merge the gaming industry with their other departments. Look at Sony's "PSX" that completely bombed in Japan, which is basically a PS2 with a bunch of different add-ons. Microsoft is trying to make the Xbox like a PC... Nokia has their taco N-Gage
And what does Nintendo offer? Strictly game-related hardware. And you know, when I want a console I want it to play games, not all that other stuff. I already have two DVD players, I don't need another one. If I wanted an MP3 player, I would get my own. If they want to stick all that extra stuff on as an option, that's fine, but don't make the focus on games suffer as a result. So far the gaming peripherals haven't, but I have a feeling they will start to detract from the games eventually.
FireBall
Friendly Ball of Fire
Where on earth did you get these numbers? o.O
As far as I know, Xbox Live's monthly fee is more than enough for Microsoft to break even on their own games... Also, Microsoft is able to promote their games via Xbox live, and allow developers to patch their games, or even path their own games, and add other content, withich all promotes Xbox Live.
As for Sony, I'm not sure, but I think that since all companies are forced to provide their own services for Sony's online play, Sony doesn't spend all that much money with allowing gamers to play online... I think what they do spend they recieve back in Netwrok Adapter sales.
Silverflame
OBJECTION!
I get my numbers from a year of arguing at GameFAQs. It's no secret there that Microsoft is losing lots and lots and lots of money. Also everyone knows that Nintendo makes the most profits. Sony obviously fits right in the middle. This is a subject that has been brought up over and over and over again. Numerous news reports have told me that Microsoft is losing their billions from live, some more have told me that Nintendo has about 6 billion in their savings and they are spending quite a large sum now. Obviously Microsoft is not going to say out loud how much they are losing money. And besides, half the people who use Xbox Live are using their free year trial. So where does the money come from? Of course, Microsoft has a botomless pit of money, so they'll just continue supporting Xbox Live.
And I absolutely hate patches. They're what drove me away from PC games in the first place. Soon developers will start rushing their games just to fix it with patches later. Ugh, what's next, having graphics and framerate depend on your console "version"?
And I absolutely hate patches. They're what drove me away from PC games in the first place. Soon developers will start rushing their games just to fix it with patches later. Ugh, what's next, having graphics and framerate depend on your console "version"?
Well I'll just say Nintendo's time has come and gone.Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.
They should have reinvested that 6 billion years ago.Its too late.The boat has sailed.
They should have reinvested that 6 billion years ago.Its too late.The boat has sailed.
Archer 007
Rebirth
People don't get a year free trail of Xbox Live. 
FireBall
Friendly Ball of Fire
Really, never heard about the fact that Microsoft is losing money... but anyhow, people still have to pay $60 or so to get the headset and free trial, so its not that free, anyhow...
Also: Patches are good, they allow developers to fix problems, same way that Windows Update is good, they allow microsoft to fix problems as they arise, they also allow developers to add new content, being against patches is silly IMHO.
Thrawn
Emperor
I meant the playing cards Nintendo orignally started making before releasing their first console. They were these weird Japanese ones.
Patches are not that good. They give developers an excuse to rush a game out, saying, "oh if theres bugs we'll just fix them in a patch", instead of working on finding them and fixing them before it's released.
I would prefer a game to be delayed for reasons of bug fixing, than it be released on time and be full of bugs.
Silverflame
OBJECTION!
Yes, let's disregard every single comment I have made, and claim Nintendo is going the way of SEGA. Then we can look forward to stunning games of the future like Metal Gear Solid 7, Final Fantasy MCXXVIII-2, Halo 5, Madden 2040, and Tomb Raider: No one gives a crap anymore. Every gaming company in the world will be swallowed by EA, which will be owned by Microsoft. Oh, and of course every game will have online capabilities, because that is the "future" of gaming.
This is getting really ridiculous and repetitive now. Let me just finish the argument here. Very few people play online. According to EGM, there are about 1 million accounts total for SOCOM II. The PS2 has sold what, 40 or 60 million? Going online costs money. Maybe I remembered wrong and there are no free trials for Xbox Live, but fact is Microsoft is losing tons of money. And you know what? Online capabilities do NOT make a game. It has about the same weight as voice acting in an RPG. It's nice when it's there, but not crucial to the game at all.
This is sad, the best argument have against the Gamecube is that they don't go online? Why don't you guys just realize that every system has their own set of strengths and weaknesses like I do? I would love a PS2, I would love an Xbox, but I simply don't have the time to do that kind of thing. I'm sticking with the cube because Nintendo is supporting what counts in games: fun. I don't care if the graphics are superb and it can go online. I play games for fun. And that's what games are supposed to be.
Chances are, half of you have skipped over this post and passed me off as a blind, ignorant Nintendo fanboy. Fine, then so be it. I'm going to continue having fun with my cube and GBA, have a blast with my friends while playing the numerous party games, and just have a good time in general. Even if Nintendo will leave in the end, I will enjoy this moment while it lasts.
