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Dandridge said:
Oh god, will this never end...:rolleyes:
No it will not...

Dandridge said:
Anyway good to see someone else commenting this issue:) . I'd like to point out one basic principle that should be honored in a pitboss game where double moves are forbidden: DOUBLE MOVES (that give irreversible advantage) MUST BE FORBIDDEN WHETHER THEY ARE VISIBLE OR MADE BEHIND FOG OF WAR.
You just broke your own rule buddy!

Dandridge said:
The question for me was, why I should have made only a single move and namliaM would have been allowed to double move when there was no strict order of moves? Especially since no-one even attacked or pillaged anything during any of these turns:( . It was all the same whether I would have raised the question in 1100 AD or namliaM in 1110 AD as he did. The difference between my and namliaM's double move was that namliaM made it in FoW (out of visibility range of anyone else) and I made my double move from FoW into visibility. And yes yes, I know namliaM still thinks there was some kind of strict order of moves although anyone can see (now afterwords) from the log that it just was not true.
You should have made the single move as you know you were taking advantage. If you want I can go back further in time and find the strickt order! which you know was there!

Dandridge said:
Now after namliaM started the talk about this matter I made a compromised move with my units in 1120 AD and didn't destroy his city Baghdad (although it was completely possible for me). And I gave this full compensation, because both me and namliaM should have kept a strict movement order in the previous turns. Very logical solution.
You call that compensation? *Pfffft* logical solution? *Pfffft*
Your units should not even have reached the shores of bagdad...

It seems you are pissed for Xeo to have a look at this .... :D
 
I find this continuous quoting of yours rather silly, but maybe I should try it once for a change...

You just broke your own rule buddy!
As did you, my dear;)

You should have made the single move as you know you were taking advantage. If you want I can go back further in time and find the strickt order! which you know was there!

This really can't be THAT difficult to understand. You're either pretending you don't understand or you're just making a fool of yourself. I didn't take any advantage. I just prevented you from getting advantage. And seeing now your stubborn nature I'm more convinced than ever that I did the right thing there.

You call that compensation? *Pfffft* logical solution? *Pfffft*
Your units should not even have reached the shores of bagdad...

Sure they should have reached. Only your double move had stopped them, but it seems I fortunately managed to correct things at the last moment.

It seems you are pissed for Xeo to have a look at this .... :D

:lol: :lol: :lol: You're so funny. Read the second sentence of my previous post again and again :D
 
It seems strange to me that you are comfirtable that you broke your own rule.

You forget a couple of important peaces...
1) I didnt know about the the galley => I could not have "knowingly" taken advantage
2) You knowingly took advantage to make sure you landed
3) I normaly was the one to take first turn. Therefor I see no problem in me taking first turn. (offcourse now I am "playing second fiddle")

This big difference of me aledgedly DM-ing in unknowing bliss and you DM-ing knowingly taking advantage, this alone should lead you to atleast consider the possibility of beeing wrong.
Then again you allready admitted to breaking the rules so what is the point anymore.... Well the point is, I didnt break any rule!

About your "second sentence" yeah I know what you said there. But saying something doesnt make it so. Your whole post suggests otherwise (to me)
 
Good to see a decorous post from you. Thank you. And then some answers, since I don't think I've forgot any of those "important peaces" you mentioned.

0) I'm not comfortable of neither me or you breaking the DM rule. The main point is that both of us made double moves. That's why I didn't attack you in 1120 AD.

1) I already talked about this matter (unintentional and intentional DM's) in my post #252.

2) As I've said many times I didn't took any advantage. It's just your claim. I prevented you from getting advantage of your DM. This is a matter we simply don't agree. I've explained my point of view quite thoroughly for example in my post #252 in the paragraphs that start with words "-If you really moved your 1st Galley...". I just don't understand how you could have stopped my Galley in 1110 AD without your double move in 1100 AD. Do you?

3) This is the second thing we don't agree. You think there was a "natural" order and I don't think there was. I've explained my point of view about this f.ex. in my post #252 (1st paragraph) and post #248 (3rd paragraph). I was not following who makes turns and when before your 1100 AD DM, which seem to have been a mistake on my part. On the other hand you seemed to have been following it, since you said you tried to actively correct the "natural" order in 1100 AD. Maybe also you could have contacted me right away if you felt that the "natural" order was broken. But you just tried to "correct" the order (your wording in your post #247) on your own, since you thought it doesn't matter. But it mattered as you can see here.

And the point is you should admit that you broke the DM rule, too. You made a DM during war in FoW as did I. I have admited many times that what happened was both my and your fault. You on the other hand just purely try to accuse me. You're not even thinking about the possibility that you might have done something wrong, since you don't believe you got any advantage by your DM made in "unknowing bliss".

And excactly why are you not satisfied with the compromised move I made in 1120 AD? Didn't you really see any compensation in it:confused: Very strange.
 
The server is down momentarily, the reason is that after I installed some Win 2003 updates yesterday, the server decided to refuse any RDP connections to it...meaning I can't fire up PitBoss. Don't worry, I'm working on the problem :)

I can't get the saves before this is fixed, so please bear with me.
 
Thanks Xeo, Windows updates are allways a good source to find new problems :D

Dan:

2) If you hadnt "claimed" first slot, you would still be moving after me. Therefor I didnt double move. You did, twice actually. Offcourse you are going to claim that you didnt... or you didnt get any advantage... Well guess what ? You did get one cause you were able to land the units !
It is not only my claim that says you took advantage, it is a recorded fact. You made the 2 moves to make sure your units landed, period.

3) Yes the fog DM you made mattered but it is still you that made it. That is exactly my point. Since you made that DM, you now feel like I made a DM ... which I didnt ...

Me, you, PTPan... That is the way it was.... and should have been. If we had played the turn concerned in that exact order (as it should have been) I would have blocked that galley.
Your "breaking" DM the turn before now causes all this problems, cause you feel abused. While you have nothing to point there.
Maybe it is my fault for not reporting your first DM. But as we allready established nothing real seemed to have happened... and nothing did happen. If only we had kept to Me, You, PTpan... But no... You had to make sure your units landed! => i.e. take advantage by going last and first.

All others do not make any difference you DM, me DM what ever. ONLY 1 turn it really matters as something happened in that turn. YOUR DM.
Me, You, PTPan, Me, You, PTPan, etc. You broke this, but you are not willing to admitt to it. Whats more you dont even seem to be willing to accept this bare bone naked fact.

It is not compensation because of several reasons
1) You units should not have been there.
2) I whipped some cities to make sure you could do minimum damage (i.e. the walls in Bagdad)
3) You knowingly and conciously broke the rule.
4) In the end you found a forrest hill to sit pretty on. Where you should have been was a bare dessert hill (if you had landed at all), this difference made you stronger on defence. Costing me more units than it should have to remove your units.
 
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