vranasm
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How was Willie a debacle, V? I thought we handled him perfectly. We got several key techs from him at an opportune time.
would have to get a bit too deep into our thread for more analysis, but my initial analysis relied on extorting him of writing, alpha etc.
we had to get those techs from Asoka
not sure now what we really did extort of him, but my feeling is that we got more techs from Asoka...actually he was the best extort target?
I think I wanted to Willie have Alpha at the 1600 BC date which is sometimes possible, but that didn't happen, that was probably problem on my part of planning something that is actually pretty rare on Emperor.
we got great city out of him which was perfect, but Asoka was playing much more crucial part of the game and in that sense if we had finished Willie it probably won't make difference
edit:
rechecked the save event log... ok you were a bit right we got 2 great techs from Willie, but at 75 AD it was Alpha+Math and at the same time IW+archery+poly from ragnar
we got writing from someone out of war and if I remember right it was from Asoka
I guess the currency was selfresearched, but monarchy extorted from Asoka for some hapiness
not sure now from whom we got the construction, but my pure guess is Asoka too.
I regard the writing gift as most crucial thing of the game though... and 75 AD for alpha is certainly disappointing.
edit2:
and another thing that comes to mind is the whole situation of Holy city not allowing to work that grass cows of Amsterdam and even stealing for ~10 turns corn leading to starving of Amsterdam.
That surely costed us some...