[RD] Russia Invades Ukraine: Eight

[saamohod]

And Crimea of coz. Support for Russia was to big there

Not arguing with this one. Crimea, especially Sevastopol are the only places in Ukraine with the dominant Russian presence. (Edit: been that way since 1950s when Moscow ethnically purged the peninsula and brought settlers from mainland Russia). But not the rest of the country.
Does it mean that e.g. Chechnya should've been given independence when they wanted? Or Tatarstan or Bashkiria? You may say people don't ask for it today. But maybe they don't because "millions are scared"?

 

[banzay13]

Not arguing with this one. Crimea, especially Sevastopol are the only places in Ukraine with the dominant Russian presence. But not the rest of the country.
Does it mean that e.g. Chechnya should've been given independence when they wanted? Or Tatarstan or Bashkiria? You may say people don't ask for it today. But maybe they don't because "millions are scared"?

You could ask it in 90x, but now such question has no base. No separatist here. One two ppl (simplified), doesn't count. Whole Russia is solid, since middle 00x.
What about Donbas... You should ask Ahmetov. It was his ppl, who start and lead uprising. "Oplot" and Zaharchenko was his creature

 

[saamohod]

You should ask Ahmetov. It was his ppl, who start and lead uprising. "Oplot" and Zaharchenko was his creature

Good points I'd gladly answer but that's beyond the scope of the thread. It's already been going astray by our latest posting.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Moderator Action: And let's get back to current news and not past history please. The terror attack is OK because it is current and has an impact on Russia. Less bickering please.

 

[EvaDK]

UK media reports that Russian tv-host and mouthpiece for the Kremlin regime Olga Skabeyeva, is claiming on Telegram that the terrorists are 'assailants recruited by Ukrainian military intelligence to look like Isis. But they are not Isis.' She makes this claim despite the fact, that the real Isis has today shared video footage recorded by the terrorists while they carried out mass murder inside the concert venue. Anyone here with access to Telegram who can confirm this?

Putin has still not publicly named Isis as the culprit behind the attack, I think. Is this what it looks like, when the regime is desperate to cover up a massive intelligence failure of the FSB and Putin's own blunder?

 

[ConquestsMaster]

Suspects appearing in court.

And here's a photo of one of Russia's law enforcers with what seems like a Kolovrat patch prominently used by the neo-Nazi Rusich group (of fame for sharing and bragging about a video the beheading of a Ukrainian POW). Might be fake news, so feel free to correct if you have more info.

 

[Thorgalaeg]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1771974295477973448

Both Azov and Yamal still afloat. An impact is visible in the pier a few meters of the one of the ships and the other one is being towed to the dry dock, probably some damage but doesn't seem too serious. Not more submarines for the Black Sea fleet (for now).

About the terrorist attack (the one in the theatre not the Russian one on Ukraine) apparently a major base of the Russian Federal Guard is located at 7-8 minutes from it, but it took them a whole hour... Ummmm

https://twitter.com/x/status/1771394647841263973

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

Putin's insistence that the terrorists who carried out this brutal attack on civilians were sponsored by Ukraine is probably because he doesn't want to lose Iran as an ally right now. Isis-Khorason has its fingerprints all over this attack,

What do you mean? ISIS-K in January committed a deadly blast at the shrine of Ghassem Soleiman, killing at least a 100 Iranians

 

[Zardnaar]

What do you mean? ISIS-K in January committed a deadly blast at the shrine of Ghassem Soleiman, killing at least a 100 Iranians

Think America warned Iran as well iirc.

 

[EvaDK]

Some more details emerging: A National Guard base is located only 2-3 mins South of the concert venue that was attacked; yet no security services or anti terror units arrived at the scene until 30-60 mins after the attack started.

The white car with the suspects was stopped near the village of Teplyi in Bryansk. The Russian regimes narrative is that they were heading for the Russio-Ukraine border, but when you look at a map of the region, the car was found closer to the Russio-Belarus border, which is not a warzone and mostly unprotected by border guards. Hmmm....

 

[EnglishEdward]

Some more details emerging: A National Guard base is located only 2-3 mins South of the concert venue that was attacked; yet no security services or anti terror units arrived at the scene until 30-60 mins after the attack started.

Posible explanation = Vodka

The white car with the suspects was stopped near the village of Teplyi in Bryansk. The Russian regimes narrative is that they were heading for the Russio-Ukraine border, but when you look at a map of the region, the car was found closer to the Russio-Belarus border, which is not a warzone and mostly unprotected by border guards. Hmmm....

Possible explanation = Regime regards Belarus as merely a self governing province of Russia.

 

[Gedemon]

Possible explanation = Regime regards Belarus as merely a self governing province of Russia.

which makes it possibly the easiest border to move through when escaping from Moscow.

 

[Akka]

Some more details emerging: A National Guard base is located only 2-3 mins South of the concert venue that was attacked; yet no security services or anti terror units arrived at the scene until 30-60 mins after the attack started.

The white car with the suspects was stopped near the village of Teplyi in Bryansk. The Russian regimes narrative is that they were heading for the Russio-Ukraine border, but when you look at a map of the region, the car was found closer to the Russio-Belarus border, which is not a warzone and mostly unprotected by border guards. Hmmm....

In fact, the Belarus ambassador said that their special service helped apprehend the suspects.
The attempt to shoehorn Ukraine is just the performative habit of reading and following the script.

 

[Snowygerry]

Putin's obsession with Ukraine likely got the better of him, not the first time.

 

[EvaDK]

In fact, the Belarus ambassador said that their special service helped apprehend the suspects.
The attempt to shoehorn Ukraine is just the performative habit of reading and following the script.

Was just about to post this:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1771525373055955376

So, according to Minsk, the terrorists were apparently believed to be heading for the Russio-Belarus border?

 

[red_elk]

Strange that it's being presented like some kind of gotcha.

It's very possible they were heading to Belarus border, with intention to escape to Ukraine through Belarus.
Belarus would hunt them down just like Russia did, so trying to hide there wouldn't make sense, but escaping to Ukraine would likely be easier from there.
Another possibility is that they were going to Poland, but this seems too far fetched without additional evidence.

 

[Gedemon]

What was presented as a kind of "gotcha it's Ukraine" is them being caught going west.

Could also have planned to reach one of the Baltic States. And maybe they didn't even plan anything, except the attack itself.

 

[amadeus]

It doesn’t make a lot of sense to me these men all of conscription age would flee to Ukraine.

 

[red_elk]

It doesn’t make a lot of sense to me these men all of conscription age would flee to Ukraine.

What their age has to do with anything? They aren't Ukrainian citizens as far as I know.

 

[Thorgalaeg]

They could flee anywhere. Going to Ukraine trying to cross the most intensely militarized border in the world after Gaza makes the least sense of all possibilities. Much easier to go to east a cross at any point of the huge asiatic Russian frontier. But you can get any evidence from some with a ear cut and a battery connected to the genitals. He can say they killed Trotsky and were going to California if you want.