ñ´s Religiously Wonderful SG

[JJJSpider]

OK I got it Will look at in the next day or two.

 

[Cyllus]

Yeah, I planned on doing Palace untilI notice it didn't have a Research Lab.

 

[choxorn]

How could you build a Palace anyway? Bombay is our capital!!

 

[JJJSpider]

Pre-turn: Looks good

Turn 1 (1772AD):
ZZZ

Turn 2 (1774AD):
Zap two Zulu Inf.
Clean up Pollution

Turn 3 (1776AD):
Zap Two Zulu Inf.

Turn 4 (1778AD):
ZZZ

IBT: Swap WM with France

Turn 5 (1780AD):
Zap 2 Zulu Inf.
Clean up Pollution

IBT: Rome and Babylon both Learn Amp. War.

Turn 6 (1782AD):
Zap Cav and Inf

IBT: Rome wants Cash for Amp. War I pass.
Rome Learns Adv. Flight.

Turn 7 (1784AD):
Kill Zulu Galleon
Clean up Pollution

Turn 8 (1786AD):
Kill 1 Inf.
Clean up Pollution
Sci Down to 80% NP in 1

IBT: Rome Builds Manhattan

Turn 9 (1788AD):
NP In Set to Laser in 11. I think we want to Steal Rockery and Space Flight While we work on Ecology and Syn. Fibers next.
Major Round of pollution.

IBT: 2 Zulu Cavs Suicide against Madras.

Turn 10 (1790AD):
Bombay UN -> NUKE Plant.
Kill 4 Inf. Loosing One. However I got Another Elite.
Renew Dyes and Incense with Babylon and Rome. For 175 each
Trade Gems to Japan for Wines and 1gpt and 70 gp

(16-1) 8 Elite Victories no Leader Which Will probably used to Build Apollo Program now.

The Save: View attachment ReligiousSG_1790AD.sav

 

[choxorn]

Okay, got it. If we get 8 more elite victories with no Great Leader, I'm launching a nuke at the RNG.
Can't play right now, will get to it later.

 

[choxorn]

Done. can't post now, as I am not on my civ computer.

What happened:
-Stole our first stolen tech, Rocketry, from Babylon.
-We FINALLY got a MGL (Chandragupta) on turn 9! He is currently in Madras, awaiting orders.
-Killed a bunch of Zulus.

 

[choxorn]

And now, da set:

Pre-Turn (1790 AD):
-Change other cities to Nuke Plants- when we need to build SS parts, we will need them. WE are now at -84 gpt.

IBT:
zzz

Turn 1 (1792 AD):
-Kill a Zulu Cav with an elite Tank. (1-0)

IBT:
-Babylonian ironclads bombard China's West coast, which they continue to do for the rest of the set.

Turn 2 (1794 AD):
-Elite Tanks kill a Zulu Inf and 2 Zulu Cavs. (4-0)

IBT:
-Mao says he wants our tanks to leave. Sure, after we finish kicking Shaka's big fat arse!!
-Bombay: Nuke Plant->Wealth
-Pollution hits WS and EB.

Turn 3 (1796 AD):
-Clear Pollution.
-Kill 2 more Zulu Inf and a Zulu Cav. (7-0)

IBT:
-A Zulu Inf attacks my Tank and loses. (8-0) Okay, RNG, that one was on defense, it doesn't count, but one more...
-China says remove or declare. I remove (although I wish I could declare... )
-Madras: Nuke Plant->Wealth
-EB: Nuke Plant->Wealth

Turn 4 (1798 AD):
zzz

IBT:
-Japan and Babylon MA vs. China.
-China requests WM trade. I decline.
-Delhi: Nuke Plant->Wealth
-Pollution hits WS.
-WS: Nuke Plant->Wealth
-We are now back in positive gpt! +2.

Turn 5 (1800 AD):
-Clear Pollution.

IBT:
zzz

Turn 6 (1802 AD):
-Kill a couple of Zulu Cavs, (10-0) still no GL!! Okay, RNG, you're lucky I don't have a nuke, but I can do this...

Spoiler What I did to the RNG :

[Monty Burns] RELEASE THE HOUNDS!!!! [/Monty Burns]

IBT:
-China asks us to leave. I comply.

Turn 7 (1804 AD):
-Babylon has Rocketry. I safely steal it for 3396 gold.

IBT:
-We lose our supply of Coal and China gets Amphibious War.

Turn 8 (1806 AD):


IBT:
-Pollution hits Bombay.

Turn 9 (1808 AD):
-Clear the Pollution.
-Elite Tanks kill 2 Zulu Infantry and 2 Zulu Cavs and we finally get a MGL!!!! (14-0)

-Research down to 70%, Laser still in 1.

IBT:
-France and Zulu embargo us. Didn't the military advisor tell us they were evil?
-We have Laser. Set research to Ecology, due in 10.

Turn 10 (1810 AD):
-Take out 2 Zulu Infs and a Zulu Cav, and lose a Tank to an inf, but redline the inf. (17-1)

End Turn Stuff in next post...

 

[choxorn]

End Turn Screenie:

Notes:
-Chandragupta is awaiting orders in Madras. What should we do with him?
-Anyone want to consider stealing Amphi war from China?
-Who bets Babylon is going to get a Chinese city soon? I think yes, if the AI can launch a sea attack. Which everyone knows they are very bad at.
-Techs that can allow us to build Space parts are our top priority!
-Da Save.

 

[JJJSpider]

I would just make peace with the Shaka now.
We got our Leader! Rush Apollo then we can start on SS parts
Being able to build HE or MA does us no good now and filling our Army with Tanks with MA so Close. (maybe MechINF for a good Defensevise Army but no one is going to crack our defense very well.)
I might build an Army when and if we Ever got MA.

As for China. He Done!!! No reason every to Worry about Mao again until he delcare War on us. Rome and Babylon are our new threat.

And you said it! A Tech thats does not lead to a SS part is pointless in wasting any cash for steals.
I might Sell Rockerty to Rome if Babylon has not done so yet. but it is an Iffy Call.

 

[choxorn]

I would just make peace with the Shaka now.

Good idea. There isn't really anything more to be gained from war with them.

We got our Leader! Rush Apollo then we can start on SS parts

First, we are going to need Space Flight.

Being able to build HE or MA does us no good now and filling our Army with Tanks with MA so Close. (maybe MechINF for a good Defensevise Army but no one is going to crack our defense very well.)
I might build an Army when and if we Ever got MA.

Indeed, an army does us practically no good at all. We aren't doing much fighting.

As for China. He Done!!! No reason every to Worry about Mao again until he delcare War on us. Rome and Babylon are our new threat.

Yeah, although I still would like to be able to destroy Xinjian and Shanghai. If we are lucky, Babylon might do it for us!

And you said it! A Tech thats does not lead to a SS part is pointless in wasting any cash for steals.

So the only techs we need to complete the SS:
1. Ecology (currently being researched)
2. Space Flight
3. Synthetic Fibers
4. Satellites
5. Superconductor

Then we can set sci to zip and concentrate on building all the SS parts we haven't built by that point.

 

[Cyllus]

Got It, will play now but off to work in an hour. Will finish later tonight or sure.

 

[Cyllus]

Preturn
Check past techs for sale ops, France has no gpt to offer, Rome has Rocketry, China also has nothing to offer.
Trade Radio to Japan for Oil, WM, 42g, and 32gpt (all his gold)
Sign Peace with Zululand, he gives all his gold 46g and 11gpt
Research Space Flight at 100%, due in 10 at –27gpt
Bring the Leader to Bombay
We have 2 sources of Aluminum
Hit Enter

IBT
China demands our Tank leaves, we do.
UN election, pass.
Babylon razes… I forgot already, Nankow or something, doesn’t change our cultural borders.

1 – 1812 A.D.
Clear pollution

IBT
The Polite Japanese come calling for an alliance against China, we pass.

2 – 1814 A.D.
Nothing

IBT
Nothing

3 – 1816 A.D.
Nothing

IBT
Our sourse of Uranium is exhausted…

4 – 1818 A.D.
Rome and Babs have Uranium to sell

IBT
Nothing

5 – 1820 A.D.
Nothing

IBT
Notice Chinese worker moving around Tientsin, for some reason Babs pulled his Ironclads away.

6 – 1822 A.D.
Nothing

IBT
Nothing

7 – 1824 A.D.
Nothing

IBT
We get a new source of Uranium , this seems to happen a lot more frequently in Vanilla.

8 – 1826 A.D.
Rome learns Space Flight
Check all trade ops, not many civs have any GPT at all, including Babylon.
Sell Radio to China for 67g and 18gpt
Rome would give us Space Flight, 2584g, and 133gpt for Nuclear Power but we get Space Flight in 2 turns anyway so no deal.
Shanghai was at 20 pop, now at 13

IBT
Babs Ironclads return to view.
China move a solo Infantry through our land… I allow it.

9 – 1828 A.D.
Turn science down a turn, Space due in 1

IBT
Hrmmm, China and Babs sign Peace THEN the polite Babylonians demand Nuclear Power! I decline and he sais

Spoiler :

5 Babylonian Ironclads bombard West Side roads and mines on the Gem tile.

10 – 1830 A.D.
Space Flight is in, set to Ecology in 9 turns at –23gpt
Buy Incense from Rome AND an alliance against Babs for 486g, they become gracious
Bombard and remove the 5 Babylonian ICs from our waters, only the Sub promotes.
Move the workers to the bombarded mountain and put 3 ME there for defense in case Babs pulls China in against us.

OK We could buy France into the alliance for Electronics and could buy Zulu into the war for Radio (He’s also give us Amphibious Warfare). Both can only offer minimal gold.
I also woke up the MGL but didn’t rush Apollo yet, it’s due in 5 turns anyway, do we want to rush it? I don’t see what good it’d do us really as we can’t build that many space parts atm. I’ll leave this for JJJ, he’s more seasoned than I.

The Save
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/106808/ReligiousSG_Cyllus__1830_AD.SAV

 

[choxorn]

If Appolo is 5 turns anyway, use the leader to build an army or use it to rush an SS part.
I personally think we should try to get everyone but China against Babylon to deter them from building SS parts. Also, we might be able to win by Diplo this way (Babylon is quite obviously our opponent).

 

[JJJSpider]

Ok I got it.
Going to Give up Flight to Japan, Zulu and China so All are at War with Babylon. Otherwise there are going to do it to us. I will leave France out of it Since they will end up joining in soon enough by way of someone else. Plus this keeps Japan from jumping ship and us loosing our Oil need for SS parts. Thus the Leader is goingto Rush Apollo to start those part right-o-way.

Since the UN would be US vs. Babylon and everyone is at War with them. It might be good time for the UN Vote Now when it comes up. Thoughts???? Or are we bound and detemined to win by SS.

 

[choxorn]

Either way, I don't care. Although Diplo would certainly be easier.

 

[JJJSpider]

I think either way it is Won.
UN (not sure when the vote will occur in my 10 or the next 10.) But as long as Babylon is at War with everyone it is ours to win.
SS is a little bit longer another 20-30 I think also depends on the Steals.

I am leaning towards what ever is the Faster way. Which right now is the UN vote.

 

[Cyllus]

I'd take the Diplomatic victory, it'd be the quickest way and I like to be the worlds favorite 5 city civ .

 

[JJJSpider]

Well that was Quick I didn't expect the Vote this soon.

Pre-turn
Give up Flight to Japan, Zulu and China so All are at War with Babylon. I leave France out since they wont last long. Currently getting Oil from Japan keeps them from jumping ship and we loose our Oil.
Rush Apollo otherwise he just sitting doing nothing and we can start on parts while we have oil.

EB -> Worker to Stop Starving.
Delhi –> Jet Fighter

Turn 1 (1832AD):
Bombay Apollo -> SSEngine
EB Worker -> SSlounge
Lower Sci Down in 10 turns with out running defcit. Going to need that steal money.

Turn 2 (1834AD):
Madras Jet -> SSDocking

UN VOTE
DIPLO WIN

The Save: View attachment ReligiousSG_1832AD.sav
Hit Enter and Do the Vote:

Thanks Guys for a very intresting Variant.

 

[choxorn]

Woohoo! We won! And an interesting variant indeed! BTW, looking at the replay, I discovered that Babylon and Persia were at war with France for a little while (In the late AA, I think). Some events:

350 BC: Eridu, a Babylonian city, is captured by France.
230 BC: Dijon, a French city, is destroyed- probably by Babylon.
90 BC: Besancon (French) is captured by Persia.
50 BC: Eridu is captured by Persia.
50 AD: Besancon is recaptured.
70 AD: Besancon is destroyed.
110 AD: Dijon is destroyed (again- it was refounded)

That's all that the replay noticed.