1.19 released

Xyth · Dec 15, 2012

stoferb said:
I'm playing it now for the first time trying this mod. I like it. Great mod! I would like to see a few improvements though. Is it possible to add sliders to the game?

No, I cannot add new sliders without the SDK. What other improvements do you have in mind?

Jarlaxe Baenre said:
Sorry for taking a bit of time. Also, the crash was due to some lines added in just before the part where it does the plots.

Awesome, will check it out when I get some time tonight. Thanks!

stoferb · Dec 16, 2012

Well, I wasn't too fond of the religious system I think it needs to be reworked. Even though gpp from specialists are nerfed great priests are so easy to get even by accident that all world religions are established before 1000 BC. I'd like to getting a religion being more of an effort aswell as a strategic choice.

Another improvement I'd like to see is the possibility to introduce new crops and animals if you have the appropriate climate and terrain within your own borders. If you import say potatoes from another civilization you should be able to eventually grow your own potatoes. It doesn't apply equally to all crops and animals ofcourse, horses are easy to get because you obviously import living breathing horses, silk is difficult because you obviously import the finished fabric and not the silkworms. Maybe that's something spies can do...

Nightstar · Dec 17, 2012

stoferb said:
Well, I wasn't too fond of the religious system I think it needs to be reworked. Even though gpp from specialists are nerfed great priests are so easy to get even by accident that all world religions are established before 1000 BC. I'd like to getting a religion being more of an effort aswell as a strategic choice.

Part of the problem is that late-founded religions tend to be largely irrelevant (unless they're the only one on their continent, of course). When was the last time you saw Islam play a major role in a standard Civ4/BTS game? Having all the religions founded relatively early at least give the later ones *some* chance to come out on top.

On an unrelated note, Astronomy being moved back from early Classical era to late Ancient has messed up several quest/random event triggers. Fix is attached below (replace file of same name under History Rewritten/Assets/XML/Events). Saved game compatibility should be unaffected.

Xyth · Dec 17, 2012

stoferb said:
Well, I wasn't too fond of the religious system I think it needs to be reworked. Even though gpp from specialists are nerfed great priests are so easy to get even by accident that all world religions are established before 1000 BC. I'd like to getting a religion being more of an effort aswell as a strategic choice.

Nightstar said:
Part of the problem is that late-founded religions tend to be largely irrelevant (unless they're the only one on their continent, of course). When was the last time you saw Islam play a major role in a standard Civ4/BTS game? Having all the religions founded relatively early at least give the later ones *some* chance to come out on top.

Yeah, the way religion mechanics work in Civ4, late founded religions remain pretty irrelevant. While having each religion founded early isn't ideal in terms of historicity, it works much better in terms of game balance. That said, I'm not fond of the way that founding one religion in HR effectively makes it much easier to found subsequent religions as well, with no additional effort. That aspect needs some reviewing.

Another improvement I'd like to see is the possibility to introduce new crops and animals if you have the appropriate climate and terrain within your own borders. If you import say potatoes from another civilization you should be able to eventually grow your own potatoes. It doesn't apply equally to all crops and animals ofcourse, horses are easy to get because you obviously import living breathing horses, silk is difficult because you obviously import the finished fabric and not the silkworms. Maybe that's something spies can do...

Pie's Ancient Europe has a resource dissemination system not too far removed from what you describe. It could be adapted to HR, though it has the potential to be very unbalancing once corporations are in play. It would require radical overhauls of map generation and buildings though, so its not something I'd look into in the near future.

On an unrelated note, Astronomy being moved back from early Classical era to late Ancient has messed up several quest/random event triggers. Fix is attached below (replace file of same name under History Rewritten/Assets/XML/Events). Saved game compatibility should be unaffected.

Ah yes, oversight on my part there. Thanks!

stoferb · Dec 17, 2012

Maybe it could be a national wonder for every crop/animal that can be introduced. Say for example that you need to build three stables to unlock the national wonder that gives you your own horses, let's call it "royal stable", and without horses in the first place it's ridiculously expensive. Would that be unbalancing?

Xyth · Dec 18, 2012

stoferb said:
Maybe it could be a national wonder for every crop/animal that can be introduced. Say for example that you need to build three stables to unlock the national wonder that gives you your own horses, let's call it "royal stable", and without horses in the first place it's ridiculously expensive. Would that be unbalancing?

I'm not sure. The more I think about it the less I feel there is a need for such a system. Diplomacy and trade is the best way to obtain resources that you're missing, both in game and in history. And if you can't get a resource peacefully, that's what war is for.

While it is realistic to grow crops or raise livestock from abroad in your own territory (with appropriate techs), with Civ4's innate '1 resource supplies your entire trade network' mechanic in place and unchangeable, I suspect such a system would detract rather than add to gameplay.

stoferb · Dec 18, 2012

Yeah, you're probably right. In my current game, my hunt for resources have really made the game interesting. I created a colony in a relatively nearby but still far away group of islands to get marble and silver. If the land wasn't mostly tundra and so far away I would have kept it, but I couldn't afford the maintaince. And I'm now planning my wars to get certain supply of some other resources and to gain a foothold on the huge continent where most of the other civs are.

Skidizzle · Dec 20, 2012

So I made a updated large earth map in worldbuilder. But it keeps crashing after the first turn.

the crash report (-binary images):

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Xyth · Dec 22, 2012

Skidizzle said:
So I made a updated large earth map in worldbuilder. But it keeps crashing after the first turn.

That crash indicates a problem with state religions or a religious building. I can't imagine why updating a map in worldbuilder would trigger that. I assume you've never seen such a crash in the regular game? Post your worldbuilder file and I'll take a look.

Skidizzle · Dec 22, 2012

Xyth said:
That crash indicates a problem with state religions or a religious building. I can't imagine why updating a map in worldbuilder would trigger that. I assume you've never seen such a crash in the regular game? Post your worldbuilder file and I'll take a look.

I kept messing with my worldbuilder file and eventually decided to give up on it until you got back to me, only to find out that it was messing up regular games as well. So I went the the nuke solution and completely reinstalled HR. It works now, really strange though.

I think it was some of the minor file updates I found posted before my nuke solution. Maybe one of the HR.py fix you gave for Progressive's cottage growth, the CvEventManager.py fix for Paganism fix, or the CIV4CivicInfos.xml fix for Pluralism were the culprits?

Also, I should've checked my post before sending it

(<that one's intentional)

Xyth · Dec 22, 2012

Skidizzle said:
I kept messing with my worldbuilder file and eventually decided to give up on it until you got back to me, only to find out that it was messing up regular games as well. So I went the the nuke solution and completely reinstalled HR. It works now, really strange though.

I think it was some of the minor file updates I found posted before my nuke solution. Maybe one of the HR.py fix you gave for Progressive's cottage growth, the CvEventManager.py fix for Paganism fix, or the CIV4CivicInfos.xml fix for Pluralism were the culprits?

Also, I should've checked my post before sending it (<that one's intentional)

Strange. I'm running with all the patches applied and haven't seen any crashes at all. If one was causing a crash it would almost certainly be CvEventManager.py, the changes to the other two files were quite minor. I suggest reapplying them all (backing up the old versions just in case) and seeing if it still happens.

Nightstar · Dec 26, 2012

My current Odyssey game just reached the Renaissance and promptly encountered the constant crashing problem. Constant, but never quite *repeating*, as it never seems to crash in exactly the same place twice. Still, when you get four crashes in less than an hour, three of them on a single turn, the game becomes nearly unplayable.

Attached below is a zipped folder with all the crash reports since I entered the Renaissance, in hopes of finding a clue to what's causing it.

Xyth · Dec 26, 2012

Nightstar said:
My current Odyssey game just reached the Renaissance and promptly encountered the constant crashing problem. Constant, but never quite *repeating*, as it never seems to crash in exactly the same place twice. Still, when you get four crashes in less than an hour, three of them on a single turn, the game becomes nearly unplayable.

Attached below is a zipped folder with all the crash reports since I entered the Renaissance, in hopes of finding a clue to what's causing it.

Five of those are audio related, presumably to do with sounds or music that aren't used prior to the renaissance. Won't be easy to track down but a saved game would help. The other two aren't caused by HR as far as I can tell, looks like OSX trying to do something and BTS getting in the way.

Drakarska · Dec 26, 2012

Just a quick question. On the 1.19 release, will it overite the earlier version? or do I need a fresh install?
Love your mod btw, it's one of my top 3 that I play.

Xyth · Dec 26, 2012

Drakarska said:
Just a quick question. On the 1.19 release, will it overite the earlier version? or do I need a fresh install?
Love your mod btw, it's one of my top 3 that I play.

You need to delete 1.18 and install 1.19. There are also 3 single file patches over in the Troubleshooting thread that I recommend installing as well.

Nightstar · Dec 26, 2012

Here's the autosave for the three-crash turn.

If I remember correctly, the first crash was while I stepped away from the computer for several minutes to get my (physical) mail with the Diplomatic Glance display up, and came back to find it on the desktop with a "Civilization IV has quit unexpectedly" box up.

The last two were when I was using the editor to remove the Olympics that got stuck in one of my cities from a prior crash (first when I tried to open the editor, then again when I tried to *close* it).

Skidizzle · Dec 27, 2012

Xyth said:
...I suggest reapplying them all (backing up the old versions just in case) and seeing if it still happens.

I did just that and it hasn't crashed yet. Were those the only patch files or are there more?

Xyth · Dec 27, 2012

Skidizzle said:
I did just that and it hasn't crashed yet. Were those the only patch files or are there more?

Just the 3.

Nightstar · Dec 27, 2012

Xyth said:
Just the 3.

Well, there's also the minor random events fix I posted further up this page, but that really is minor.

Nightstar · Feb 14, 2013

More 1.19 crash logs, all from either the tail end of the Medieval era or the early Renaissance. Two or three of them had the "FATAL_ERROR" box (screenshot attached) pop up first, the rest just went straight to the desktop.

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