19 Civilizations, let's guess!

[crimson238]

I think the zulu should be replaced with Ethiopia... as.. they were the only african empire to never to conqured by colonials (until italy, briefly in the 1930s).

 

[toh6wy]

I agree that there will quite a few civilizations are most definitely in. Rome, Greece, Egypt, England, France, Germany, Russia, China, and Japan are all in without a doubt. I would also be very surprised if India and Persia were not included (although IMO neither is *quite* as obvious a choice as the first nine, although they come very close), and at least one Mesopotamian civ, one Mesoamerican civ, one North American Indian civ, and one African civ are all good bets. That leaves four slots. I'm going to guess that the Americans are back in (because they always have), and the Vikings, Spanish, and Mongols all have a fairly good chance. However, I'm hoping that there will be a little less focus on Europe, and that there will be some more African, SE Asian, Pacific Island/Australian, and/or Native American representation.

What confuses me, however, is the number of civs. Why, of all numbers, did they pick 19??

 

[ComradeDavo]

Personally, I would applaud loudly if America got 'downgraded' from a Major playable civ to a minor civ-especially if it appeared after a civil war by a Western European civ. I would then fill the vacancy it produces with an African civ-most likely Ethiopia or Mali.

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

As would I!

However...

Why do people keep leaving out America? It's going to be in there. Most American gamers will want to play as their Civ, and Firaxis probably wants those sales! America is definetely in.

This is true.

 

[lostcause]

1. Rome
2. Greece
3. Germany
4. France
5. England
6. Russia
7. Egypt
9. India
10. Japan
11. China
12. America
13. Zulu
14. Iroquois
15. Aztecs
16. Turks
17. Mongols
18. Babylon
19. Vikings

These are the Civ's I would like to see.
I wish there was a Polynesian Civ, but it probably won't happen.

 

[bloodofages]

Only 19 civs I hope people cam make mods with more then 19.

 

[bloodofages]

I say Keep America in cause the game is made by us Americans, we have the right to put our country in our games.

 

[ForbiddenPalace]

I really thinks Austria-Hungary should be in, along with Great Britain, France, Germany, Spain, Russia, Rome, Greece and Viking to form the civs from Europe.

 

[MeteorPunch]

How could America get any more downgraded? It's already one of the weakest civs in the game.

 

[DBear]

Is it certain that they said 19 civs is all that will go into Civ4? Or is it that they've only agreed to 19 civs so far? 19 is such an unusual number that I don't see how this could be the final decision.

 

[Nobody]

19-Australians aborigens, I don't remenber their name.

I think polynesians would be better than aborigenes, abos would be just like zulu.

I completely agree with you. America will be in the game for all the Americans playing it.

even if it wasnt for the sales, america should be included because they are so important to the world, civilization didnt end in 1800,

 

[Nachos]

I hope the list will look something like this:

Definate Civilizations
Rome
Egypt
Greece
Babylon
Persia
France
England
Germany
Russia
India
China
Japan
Aztecs
Inca

These are also civilizations but not necessarily in the game
Spain
Nubia
Ethiopia
Turks
Arabs
Israel

And now you may wonder why I haven't written one single North American civilization and that's because, don't hate me, I can't find any. A tribe is not a civilization, neither is a 200 years old country one. You can't compare any North American cultures with the ones on the list above. I also thought about Scandinavia a lot . It is a culture more than a thousand years old. The reason why I skipped it is that there has never really been a Scandinavia. It might even be so that the Scandinavians rather see themselves not represented than represented as one...

As you might have noticed my list contains 20 civilizations. I just can't let anyone of them go. Israel is too important, Africa must be represented with it's ancient civilizations and none of the Europeans civilizations above can be ignored. Help me!

 

[Dachs]

And now you may wonder why I haven't written one single North American civilization and that's because, don't hate me, I can't find any. A tribe is not a civilization, neither is a 200 years old country one. You can't compare any North American cultures with the ones on the list above. I also thought about Scandinavia a lot . It is a culture more than a thousand years old. The reason why I skipped it is that there has never really been a Scandinavia. It might even be so that the Scandinavians rather see themselves not represented than represented as one...

As you might have noticed my list contains 20 civilizations. I just can't let anyone of them go. Israel is too important, Africa must be represented with it's ancient civilizations and none of the Europeans civilizations above can be ignored. Help me!

Greece wasn't a single nation until 1821 AD, either. Every now and then there was a great alliance for the good of Hellas, but mostly they just fought amongst each other. Scandinavian culture was never one Scandinavia, but a collection of empires/kingdoms/city-states/republics, etc. fighting, just like Greece. They shared the same gods amongst themselves, used the same technology, and did one thing the Greeks did too, unite the entire region under one ruler for an incredibly short period of time (Canute with the Scandinavians, Alexander III with the Greeks). Everyone seems to agree that Greece should go in, why not the very similar Viking/Scandinavians?

 

[mitsho]

1. Rome: logical
2. Egypt: logical
3. Greece: logical
4. Persia: logical
5. India: logical
6. Mesopotamia: Either Babylon, Sumeria or Assyria
7. China: logical
8. Japan: logical
9. Korea: boost sales
10. France: logical
11. Germany: logical
12. England/British: logical whatever you call it (see various threads)
13. America: The game comes from there, it's a good civ and it boosts sales
14. Russia: logical
15. Iroquois: North American local representant
16. Aztec: Latin American representant
17: Zulu: African representant
18. Ethiopia or Mali: African representant
19. Inca or Khmer or Spain: Complete South America or Asia or boost sales.

speaking in culture groups, we'd have:
Europe: 4
Mediterranean: 3
Middle East: 2
Africa: 2
America: 3
Asia: 4

+ either one European, one Asian or one American.

--> The world would be pretty balanced! In civ3, they put Middle East and Africa together, because they are so few. But with Additions, these would pretty soon get filled up!

mfG mitsho

PS: These are not the civs I'd want. Ottomans, Arabs or Vikings would really deserve to get in, but I do not see much chance for this.

 

[sir_schwick]

Lets not forget the Iroquis Nation was a republican federation. Some historians believed that Benjamin Franklin wanted to adopt a single-house senate similair to the one used by the Iroquis Nation.

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I think the reason that the Zulu are used instead of the Songhay, Ethiopians, or even the Kongolese was that few Americans know who King Alfonso is but almost everyone knows Shaka Zulu.

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Aztec really is not Latin America. That part of the world only became Latin after the Spanish colonized it and wiped out the indigenous culture.

 

[Lockesdonkey]

And in a way, he did get it--in his home state of Pennsylvania, there was one house, the Assembly, and a three-man executive council. However, Madison got his way in the national government, and we've had that system with a considerable amount of acrimony ever since (once, a young Democratic representative talked about the Republicans as "the enemy". His party leader corrected him: The Senate is the enemy. The Republicans are the opposition.)

 

[mitsho]

@sir_schwick, I know that they are not Latin America. BUT I couldn't think of a proper name, because Mesoamerica does leave out Southern America. I didn't think much, and that was the best name I could think of in the moment. It's not that important what name we give to a region, isn't it?

mfG mitsho

 

[Nachos]

Greece wasn't a single nation until 1821 AD, either. Every now and then there was a great alliance for the good of Hellas, but mostly they just fought amongst each other. Scandinavian culture was never one Scandinavia, but a collection of empires/kingdoms/city-states/republics, etc. fighting, just like Greece. They shared the same gods amongst themselves, used the same technology, and did one thing the Greeks did too, unite the entire region under one ruler for an incredibly short period of time (Canute with the Scandinavians, Alexander III with the Greeks). Everyone seems to agree that Greece should go in, why not the very similar Viking/Scandinavians?

Greece has had a national culture for four(?)thousand years. And they have been one country for 180 years now, and when they were city states fighting eachother they would more or less always stop the fighting whenever a foreign power would attack. Scandinavia, on the other hand, has never had the national culture the way Greece has had for long. Although the Scandinavian countries have always been very much alike, they have never, but once, been united and that was not by Canute. Canute ruled Denmark, Norway and England, not Sweden. Margareta ruled Denmark, Norway and Sweden in the 1300's. This was the only real union. Later on in the beginning of the 1500's Denmark tried to unite Scandinavia but did not succeed. Denmark and Sweden fought eachother for about 300 years after that. With other words: Greece is a nation and Scandinavia is not.

And as a Swede, I would of course like to see my country represented in the game. But then I'd rather see Sweden with a golden age in the 1600's when Sweden ruled North Europe . Well, actually i find Europe very crowded and as you can see on my list Scandinavia would be the European country that has affeceted world history the least. And it hasn't really been much of a civilization if you compare it to the other European countries on my list. But I most definatly agree that the Vikings are important and as a conclusion I would say that if there would only be more civilizations in the game I would vote them in.

 

[mhIdA]

Logical
1. China
2. India
3. Persia
4. Mongolia
5. Russia
6. Germany
7. France
8. England
9. Rome
10. Greece
11. Egypt
12. Zulu
13. America
14. Aztecs
15. Babylon
16. Japan

Probably
17. Iroquois
18. Inca
19. Mali

 

[Chazbagel]

Why do people keep leaving out America? It's going to be in there. Most American gamers will want to play as their Civ, and Firaxis probably wants those sales! America is definetely in.

Im american, and i couldn't care less if they leave or take out the Americans... but if i had to choose one i would say leave them in because they are the world superpower in the moment and this game isnt just in the ancient game.... its in the modern too. thats like taking out the Mayans because they arent in the industrial age...

I play as Dutch more than anything and, i havent seen them in one of these lists yet.

But..... it is doubtful that they will be in civ 4... I will hope for some more expansion packs later down the road to add the lost civilizations, and maybe add some new ones... i mean, it doesnt hurt to have 32 civilizations...

 

[Chazbagel]

How could America get any more downgraded? It's already one of the weakest civs in the game.

until modern age, but even then it is pretty weak.