19 Unused Trait Combinations

[Arkatakor]

I miss Aggressive/Organized. Liked the old Tokugawa better...
It could be a good Combination for a third German leader: Wilhelm II.
And Alexander should be Imperialistic/Philosophical.

yeah also prefered the old Tokugawa - he was the only aggressive i would take coz i could expand early and expand big without ridiculous upkeep. also aggro / protective is a BAD combination because if you are aggressive, most likely YOU will be doing the attacking, not defending, hence the drill promo is virtually useless.

 

[Moxxa]

Actually, Agg/Pro is quite an overpowered combination after you get Gunpowder units.

 

[KMadCandy]

also aggro / protective is a BAD combination because if you are aggressive, most likely YOU will be doing the attacking, not defending, hence the drill promo is virtually useless.

Actually, Agg/Pro is quite an overpowered combination after you get Gunpowder units.

and if you have some old archery units that earned drill 4 that you can upgrade to gunpowder units ... those guys are lovely!

 

[Antilogic]

I really have to check back here more often. I can't believe there was another suggestion for Xerxes, especially after we just had that great discussion over what kind of leaders to pick.

I'm a pro-Meiji man myself, to through that into the debate. I had him down originally as Charismatic/Industrious, but Expansive/Industrious could fit as well. I just didn't want to change an existing leader's traits.

 

[Breunor]

I suspect that part of the reason Hatsheptsut and Isabella are leaders in the game is because they want to squeeze in female leaders whenever a decent case could be made for them. Relatively speaking, there aren't that many to choose from. The fact that Americans are more likely to have heard of Isabella than any other Spanish monarch (not saying much) doesn't hurt either, but Hatsheptsut? I doubt very many people have heard of her.

Makes sense. If the audience hasn't heard of the famous leaders, try to add some female leaders.

At least Hapshepsut is better than Cleopatra, who may not even really be considered 'Egyptian'!

Best wishes,

Breunor

 

[Lance of Llanwy]

I really have to check back here more often. I can't believe there was another suggestion for Xerxes, especially after we just had that great discussion over what kind of leaders to pick.

I'm a pro-Meiji man myself, to through that into the debate. I had him down originally as Charismatic/Industrious, but Expansive/Industrious could fit as well. I just didn't want to change an existing leader's traits.

No worries...you can count on me to rave against Xerxes and Protective Chinese leaders. Bad posters!

 

[Antilogic]

Makes sense. If the audience hasn't heard of the famous leaders, try to add some female leaders.

At least Hapshepsut is better than Cleopatra, who may not even really be considered 'Egyptian'!

Best wishes,

Breunor

Good point. Hatshepsut, I think, is actually a female leader deserving of a position in Civ. Her reign was marked by commercial expansion in Egypt, if I recall correctly. There are other great pharaohs as well, though, so I'm not advocating only her. But at least she was an (actual) Egyptian who managed to improve the lot of the Egyptians during her reign. I don't think you can honestly claim the same for Cleopatra.

@Lance of Llanwy--Thanks for the cover! I wish more would research the leaders that are proposing more carefully before throwing out the popular but infamous or ineffectual names.

 

[Rancid Sushi]

No worries...you can count on me to rave against Xerxes and Protective Chinese leaders. Bad posters!

I just saw 300 today, and I'd totally go for a Xerxes leader who looks like that. Looks better than Cyrus with his long, curly hippie hair and fruity little feather crown. WTH is up with that thing, anyway?

 

[Antilogic]

Gah! 300!

That looks like an incredible action movie, but lacking in historical value. I'm sorry, but I missed the part of Greek history where the Spartans fought Uruk-Hai at the Battle of Helm's Deep...I'm sorry, Thermopylae. And the Persians consorting a Greek oracle (that's what I've heard--I'm going to go and see it next week)? What?

 

[Lance of Llanwy]

Gah! 300!

That looks like an incredible action movie, but lacking in historical value. I'm sorry, but I missed the part of Greek history where the Spartans fought Uruk-Hai at the Battle of Helm's Deep...I'm sorry, Thermopylae. And the Persians consorting a Greek oracle (that's what I've heard--I'm going to go and see it next week)? What?

Not to mention the Spartans themselves and the complete discounting of the Athenians. They fight practically nude...yeah, right. They were armed and armored to the teeth! And the Athenians fought bravely off the coast simultaneously...

 

[Rancid Sushi]

Okay, all you ivory tower historians. I was just saying that I'd be in favor of a Persian leader who looks a little more menacing than Cyrus, a guy wearing a blue robe and a feather crown. Yeesh.

PS: If you guys think it was supposed to be historical, you missed the point entirely. It was just a giant gorefest that was delightfully fun to watch. The special effects and Persian costumes were some good eye-candy as well. People go to movies to be entertained, not educated.

 

[Antilogic]

PS: If you guys think it was supposed to be historical, you missed the point entirely. It was just a giant gorefest that was delightfully fun to watch. The special effects and Persian costumes were some good eye-candy as well. People go to movies to be entertained, not educated.

I know it wasn't supposed to be historical. That's why it's based on a comic book (I'm sorry, graphic novel) by Frank Miller and not the actual Battle of Thermopylae. But when you are trying to bring in something from a comic book into a historically-based game (I know that comment will raise a can of worms), I have a problem.

 

[LAnkou]

i think the point of Rancid was just about the look of the persian leader...

 

[Collier20]

You brought a can of worms? I brought the can opener. As much as I love Civ, its about as historcial as 300. If you wanted it to be more historically accurate, you couldnt be the Americans unless you were the English first. Roman would spilt in two after 1000 years and yada yadda yada. Unless you spend the entire game reading the Civipedia you learn just as much from 300.

 

[LucyDuke]

Unless you spend the entire game reading the Civipedia you learn just as much from 300.

I do that sometimes. Not the entire game, obviously, but I'll get distracted for an hour or two. The CivIV Civiliopedia is crap compared to the CivIII version, though. I know, I'm a dork. And I like worms.

 

[Rancid Sushi]

i think the point of Rancid was just about the look of the persian leader...

Yeah, it was. Thanks!

My real point was that I thought Xerxes looked badass in a mysterious, middle-eastern sort of way. Civs that have historically struck fear in their enemies should have leaders that look at least somewhat intimidating. Hannibal and Genghis are good examples that already exist, but could still use improvement. Brennus and Ragnar could use a makeover so they look more scary. Ragnar should also stop wiping his nose with his finger.

 

[Lance of Llanwy]

Yeah, it was. Thanks!

My real point was that I thought Xerxes looked badass in a mysterious, middle-eastern sort of way. Civs that have historically struck fear in their enemies should have leaders that look at least somewhat intimidating. Hannibal and Genghis are good examples that already exist, but could still use improvement. Brennus and Ragnar could use a makeover so they look more scary. Ragnar should also stop wiping his nose with his finger.

Just what we need....more Eurocentrism in CIV. Let's make Saladin look more like Osama bin Laden, while we're at it. And again with the Xerxes. He's WAY down the list of great Persian leaders. If you don't like Darius, then use a Sassanid, just forget fricking Xerxes.....

 

[bonafide11]

Isn't it more Eurocentric to have Cyrus appear Caucasian rather than Persian? Civ SHOULD make Cyrus look more Persian to get away from the Eurocentrism. It is far more Eurocentric to assume a great leader is white...

Just what we need....more Eurocentrism in CIV. Let's make Saladin look more like Osama bin Laden, while we're at it. And again with the Xerxes. He's WAY down the list of great Persian leaders. If you don't like Darius, then use a Sassanid, just forget fricking Xerxes.....

 

[Rancid Sushi]

Just what we need....more Eurocentrism in CIV. Let's make Saladin look more like Osama bin Laden, while we're at it. And again with the Xerxes. He's WAY down the list of great Persian leaders. If you don't like Darius, then use a Sassanid, just forget fricking Xerxes.....

Eh, I assure you, Europe is not the center of my universe.

Also, comparing Saladin to bin Laden is a grievous insult. Saladin was an honorable, chivalrous freedom-fighter while bin Laden is just murderer. ' The fact that Cyrus appears white in CIV makes him look cheesy, even if he wore better clothing.

 

[Lance of Llanwy]

Eh, I assure you, Europe is not the center of my universe.

Also, comparing Saladin to bin Laden is a grievous insult. Saladin was an honorable, chivalrous freedom-fighter while bin Laden is just murderer. ' The fact that Cyrus appears white in CIV makes him look cheesy, even if he wore better clothing.

It was just a point. To the Persians, Xerxes was a great man...and maybe leaders ought to be portrayed as they were, or, failing that, as how their people saw them....not how Europeans saw them....