2003

[Cossack 14]

Here is my scenario of the present day. It is on Kel-el's 180x180 world map. It runs in months, weeks seemed too short. There are 24 civs. City placement is very accurate and so is the city data. The population of the citys was divided by four, I may make it even 5. All roads, airports, and railroads are pretty accurate. The military units are as follows, army divided by 3 and drop 4 places, air force and navy droped 4 places. Some military units I added some units like Japan and Australia, some in Russia. All country boaders look like they really do. I fiddled with the governments, Democracy governments can have all forms, Republics can have everything but democrarcy, communists can only have monachy, monarchies can only have monarchy. I did this to keep China, and N. Korea from becoming democracies because it seems that is all the AI ever wants. It takes about 2 hours and 15 minutes to load, I will soon have some saved games up.

PS: Thanks Kal-el for your help with AI switching governments. Procifica, Willem, and mrtn for your help with my loading problem.

Civs
1. United States
2. United Kingdom and Ireland
3. France and the Lowlands
4. Germany and Austria
5. Russia
6. China
7. Nations of South America
8. Canada
9. Iberia, Italy and Greece
10. Israel
11. Eastern European Nations
12. Nations of the Caribbean including Colombia, Venezula, Guyana and Surinam
13. Scandanavia
14. India, Nepal and Sri Lanka
15. Pakistan, Afghanistan
16. Central Asian Nations: all the stans but Afghanistan, also includes Mongolia and Azerbajian
17. North Korea
18. Iran
19. Nations of Northern Africa
20. Australia, New Zealand and Papua New Guinea
21. Central & Southern African Nations, below Sahara
22. Nations of Northern Africa Sahara and above,
23. South East Asian Nations, Thailand, Bangladesh, Burma, Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan, Indonesia, and most Islands in Pacific.
24. Nations of Middle East , Turkey, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Yeman, Kuwait, and Iraq.

Some countries are not included like Czech Republic, but they have bases and airfields to represent their military.

New Changes-
Made Sweden, Iceland, Denmark, Norway, and Finland all part of The Scandanvian Nations, Germany and Austria are a seperate civ.
Put S. Korea with Japan since they have close ties.
Iran is its own civ although there is distortion due to the size of the map.
Made Egypt part of the Nations of North Africa, mainly due to their opposition to the ware in Iraq, and also to make the Middle Eastern Nations less powerful.
Made Iraq put of the Middle East to keep their culture the same; the cities would have American civilains and arcitecture if this would not be done.
Cities I got rid of: Las Vegas, Saint-Denis, Nouakchott, Nampalo


Look futher down for update and a new saved game, US

 

[Procifica]

Not to be picky...but I would make Germany a separate civ. Scandanavia as its own civ is fine, but Germany is too important (in my opinion).

Iran, Pakistan, and Afghanistan probably also should be separate nations.

Nations of Northern Africa maybe should be labeled Northwestern Africa? I would put Libya in with the Middle East instead of Sudan.

Where is Syria and Jordan?

I assume Oman, Qatar, Kuwait, and Bahrain are with the Middle East?

I'd probably have Saudi Arabia as a separate nation as well (and include the gulf states if you wish). Syria, Egypt, and Libya maybe could go together.

Where is Azerbajian and Mongolia?

Pacific Islands should be tossed in with Australia and Co.

Overall, looks good.

 

[_Impreza_]

You have got guerillas in France? Also Battlehships for country's?

 

[Azale]

Also Battlehships for country's?

I think the scenario is awesome. The only thing I recommend is making Italy, Germany, and France maybe a Western Europe Civ. Leave the U.K independant and make a seperate civ for Scandinavia. Then, with the extra two spots, make Pakistan, Iran, and Aghanistan sperate.

 

[_Impreza_]

I meant 'Battleships', this is far from the real world but it is very playable and i respect the amount of work that has gone into this.

 

[Azale]

I know you said Battleships, but what did you mean when you said, Battleships for country's?

 

[_Impreza_]

Oh i meant i didnt know why country's such as Britain has em in this scenario cos the last one we had was 50 years ago.

 

[Azale]

I thought the U.K had several Battleships. Otherwise, the U.S IS really ahead militarily.

 

[_Impreza_]

US has no active Battleships. Right Battleships were big gunned ships from world war 2. The last commision in war for one was in 1990 for a US battleship. Most navy's have Cruisers, Destroyers, Frigates and CV's. The aegis system puts US ahead. Seerously though UK's last battleship was HMS Vanguard introduced and scrapped in the 1950's.

 

[Azale]

Interesting, I never knew that... thanks for taking the time to inform me.

 

[_Impreza_]

Well no probs, just trying to help,

 

[maciek]

Just some things to consider:

- delete terrorist marines from australia, possibly other countries. look for official listings of terrorists
- delete stealth fighters, and stealth bombers from cvs.

 

[maciek]

Also, make the ships a bit better to offset the lack of battleships (as it should be?).

If 1 turn = 1 month, shouldn't the units have more movement points? Especially ships?

A ship (e.g. a transport) should easily travel from, say, Washington to Umm Qasr in less than a month.

 

[Cossack 14]

For right now I will keep Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan together but ounce Iraq is taken I will make a seperate Iran, I will probably keep Afghanistan and Pakistan togheter mainly because Afghanistan would be coquered quick. I am trying to only have 24 civs so I don't know what to do about Scandanavia.

 

[Cossack 14]

Updated April 14, 2004

 

[_Impreza_]

Maybe u can edit ur official post to put the update thing? Well u need to also put restrictions on not so developed country's and consider the political outlook of the world a bit more before chosing which civs to put together. Need to update movements as maciek said, if u are gonna use Battleships only for Ukraine and Russia, call it Krivak class? i think thats it. Maybe give Mongolia to China? well anyways ill check it help more.
thanks

 

[Cossack 14]

Forgot to say I also updated the movment of sea units

 

[_Impreza_]

ah, can ya give us some info on it? the conversion rates of tile movements?

 

[Mobilize]

If I were you I'd put the civilizations like this:

1. United States, Israel and South Korea
2. United Kingdom and Ireland
3. France and the Lowlands
4. Germany
5. Russia
6. China
7. South America Nations
8. Canada
9. Iberia
10. Italy and Greece
11. Eastern Europe
12. Caribbean Nations
13. Iraq
14. India, Nepal and Sri Lanka
15. Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iran
16. Central Asian Nations
17. North Korea
18. Scandinavia
19. Nations of Northern Africa
20. Australia, New Zealand and Papua New Guinea
21. Central & Southern African Nations
22. Nations of Northern Africa Sahara and Above
23. South East Asian Nations
24. Nations of Middle East

Israel and South Korea are souly dependant on the U.S
Germany is too important to be with Scandinavia
Iberia shouldn't be with Italy/Greece

That's how I would have done it. It'd work perfectly too.

 

[Sarevok]

err... how long is this supposed to take to load? I waited 3 hours and it still didnt load.