2012 Republican Nominee Poll IV

Who will win the 2012 Republican Presidential Nomination?


  • Total voters
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Obama, by trying to cater to the uncaterable.

As I said earlier, maybe better if he indeed had been the sort of president he was claimed to be.

edit: ZERO effort at reaching across the aisle
Yes, he did start making an effort later on... that is true.
I meant in those critical early phases... when he didn't think he would need the repubs. He completely shut them out...
I mean, at least pretend to listen!?
 
Ummm, I'm not partisan... I dislike both parties, but I can call a situation how I see it. See after my joint reply to the three of you for why I make that claim.
Can you make the same claim?


I hate both parties too. I just hate one of them a great deal more. However that is irrelevant to the discussion. You have a tendency to believe anything and everything conservative sources say and disbelieve anything and everything non-conservative sources say without weighing any of the evidence.

This is a perfect case in point. Only the conservative partisan sources are claiming that Obama has not reached across the isle far, far, more than anyone else is doing or has done in decades. It is pure partisan propaganda. And because it comes from the far right, you inherently believe it.

The reality is that Obama's primary failure in dealing with Congress is that he didn't cut the Republicans out when they proved they would not deal with him.
 
Stimulus was a 1/3 tax cuts wasn't it? Remind me which party gets all hot under the collar from tax-cuts. Except of course when Obama comes up with them.

And that Republican Convention was in jan 2010.

And we all remember Sir Boehner's comments when the Bamster was 100 days in office.

The top House Republican said Tuesday that the liberal bills being pushed by President Obama and congressional Democrats make him “want to throw up” and that Mr. Obama’s first 100 days in office have shown he has “no plan for keeping America safe.”

"I think if you look at the first 100 days you can sum it up pretty simply: spending, taxing, borrowing, and ducking the hard choices," said Boehner. "The Democrat policies, you know, like raising taxes on everyone in the middle of a recession, is going to hurt our economy and hurt jobs in America."

The bipartisan tango also needs two.
 
The reality is that Obama's primary failure in dealing with Congress is that he didn't cut the Republicans out when they proved they would not deal with him.

This.
 
You have a tendency to believe anything and everything conservative sources say and disbelieve anything and everything non-conservative sources say without weighing any of the evidence.
I have a tendency to form my own opinion, actually.

This is a perfect case in point. Only the conservative partisan sources are claiming that Obama has not reached across the isle far, far, more than anyone else is doing or has done in decades.
I hate Bush Jr, but think he did it more, Clinton definitely did it more...

It is pure partisan propaganda. And because it comes from the far right, you inherently believe it.
Um, convincing argument.

The reality is that Obama's primary failure in dealing with Congress is that he didn't cut the Republicans out when they proved they would not deal with him.
He actually did. How many Repubs voted for Health Care? He got that passed... Did he need them? Did he rely on him?

Stimulus was a 1/3 tax cuts wasn't it?
Something like that...
Remind me which party gets all hot under the collar from tax-cuts. Except of course when Obama comes up with them.
Repubs do... but why didn't he just blow them off? He had the votes without them, and he was the leader... Why? He'd be responsible...
Blaming repubs for Obama passing the tax cuts is kind of silly... but at the same time, sly. Obama could say, well, if the stimulus had been the way "I wanted it", it would have worked... this way he can still have the out of scapegoating the repubs, which many seem to buy hook line and sinker.

And we all remember Sir Boehner's comments when the Bamster was 100 days in office.
Well, who should be the bigger man? The Pres? Or the minority leader who faces re-election every two years? I didn't expect Pelosi to lead bi-partisan efforts with Bush Jr, I expected Bush Jr too. If Obama loses, I will not expect Pelosi to lead a bi-partisan effort, I expect her to be fully difficult... it will be up to Romney to be the bi-partisan one.
Who campaigned in 2008 about being bi-partisan? Boehner or Obama?

The bipartisan tango also needs two.
True, but I think my above comment is more important that this idea.
 
Repubs do... but why didn't he just blow them off? He had the votes without them, and he was the leader... Why? He'd be responsible...
Blaming repubs for Obama passing the tax cuts is kind of silly... but at the same time, sly. Obama could say, well, if the stimulus had been the way "I wanted it", it would have worked... this way he can still have the out of scapegoating the repubs, which many seem to buy hook line and sinker.
I'm not blaming the stimu not working on anyone. I have far too little Economic knowledge to make any sort of reasonable assessment on that. But I'm in good company on that one, so it's all good.

I am saying that El Bamo got very little kudos from the Repubs for his tax-cut-heavy stimulus.
Well, who should be the bigger man? The Pres?
The pres. And he was by not rebutting the Orangie one should go ef himself. I think that was very presidential.
Who campaigned in 2008 about being bi-partisan? Boehner or Obama?
Obama. And he did make that effort. Being bipartisan is not giving the opposition everything they want. It's moving towards each other. Both parties participate in it.
True, but I think my above comment is more important that this idea.
Bipartisanism needs both sides. So I disagree.
 
Obama. And he did make that effort. Being bipartisan is not giving the opposition everything they want. It's moving towards each other. Both parties participate in it.
My contention is that he made that effort when he deemed he then needed the repubs, because he realized they would become a force in Congress...
Seems insincere.

I do agree that, insincere or not, the Repubs should have been more conciliatory, as it could have helped them by being the party of "selective no" rather than "knee jerk no"...
Reject things you think are bad... not reject all things Obama.

But, politics and repercussions of snubs, etc... out of my element (and I am thankful for that!).
 
Oh, because it wouldn't be the cure all, let's just ignore the inconvenient truth.

Whatever dude, if the economy is adding in excess of 200k net jobs a month and you are hung up over a delay (note, delay, not outright cancellation) to a project with about 20k jobs for half a year, go ahead and post away about those job-killin' regulations. I won't lose any sleep over it.

Well, why did he design it that way if he's soooo good at this?

Where did I say I thought the bill was well-designed? Or that Obama was good at this? Or that he designed the stimulus bill at all because it actually went through the House and Senate? Or even that I liked the bill that was passed? I think you are confusing me with someone else, or making some very untrue assumptions, I can't figure out which.

Because it's be stagnate for quite some time and nothing major has changed?

You think it's a one way street? Employment situation is pretty bleak in the US right now.

As I pointed out in my post, one metric has been more stiff due to the mechanics of its calculation. I can't extract the graph, but look at this February BLS report, chart #2 on the right of the first page. That's not stagnant.

Even the unemployment graph (chart #1 on the left) shows a clear, if slow, declining trend.

Ummm, I'm not partisan... I dislike both parties, but I can call a situation how I see it. See after my joint reply to the three of you for why I make that claim.
Can you make the same claim?

You gotta show it, not say it. I think my posts are clear enough to demonstrate my intentions to an outside observer, I won't address it any further.

Question for all 3 of you... How long was it before Obama met with the House Minority Leader after he was inaugurated?
Also, was he, as the President, saying anything to object to Repubs getting literally locked out of House committee meetings in those first 2 years?
Wouldn't that put a bad taste in the Dem party's mouth if Bush Jr had done those things?

If you don't think Obama compromised with and accommodated the Republicans on the Bush tax cuts, on the composition of the stimulus bill, on the ratio of spending cuts to revenue increases in the debt ceiling debate debacle, on the freaking healthcare bill which was the Republican/Heritage Foundation healthcare proposal from the 90s, then you have such a stringent definition of "reaching across the aisle" that no man in history can attain it unless he spinelessly caves to whatever the fickle and mercurial opposition wants.

Besides, you said "zero effort". Effort does not correlate with success. And you cannot tell me with a straight face Obama hasn't tried at least once. Ziggy's catering line is particularly insightful here.

Stimulus was a 1/3 tax cuts wasn't it? Remind me which party gets all hot under the collar from tax-cuts. Except of course when Obama comes up with them.

Depends on how you count. 35% was a direct tax refund, which is what most people think of as "tax cuts". However, there was an AMT adjustment, and the aid to the states was sent specifically to offset what would have been a state tax increase to pay for vital services (education, fire, police, etc.). So anywhere from 35% to something like 70% was some form of tax relief.
 
Whatever dude, if the economy is adding in excess of 200k net jobs a month and you are hung up over a delay (note, delay, not outright cancellation) to a project with about 20k jobs for half a year, go ahead and post away about those job-killin' regulations. I won't lose any sleep over it.
I'm glad you take the rosy approach... however, one stat doesn't an economy fix.

Where did I say I thought the bill was well-designed?
I didn't say you did. If you don't think it was, then why bother answering? If the shoe fits, wear it.

Or that he designed the stimulus bill at all because it actually went through the House and Senate?
So, what exactly is Obama responsible for? Every law goes through Congress first... Is he only responsible for executive orders then?
Or even that I liked the bill that was passed? I think you are confusing me with someone else, or making some very untrue assumptions, I can't figure out which.
If it doesn't fit you, don't answer it. It was said to anyone who wanted to take it on.

As I pointed out in my post, one metric has been more stiff due to the mechanics of its calculation. I can't extract the graph, but look at this February BLS report, chart #2 on the right of the first page. That's not stagnant.
I am looking at unemployment over the long haul... not very good, and pretty consistently not very good.

You gotta show it, not say it.
I really don't gotta do anything. It doesn't really matter to me if you think I am a hard core right winger, because I know that I'm not.

the freaking healthcare bill which was the Republican/Heritage Foundation healthcare proposal from the 90s
This may be the lamest talking point on the topic. 1990s... vs 2010...
Again, if there was compromise on it, how many Repubs voted for it?

Besides, you said "zero effort".
I rescinded that comment, it was too absolute. His started off on the wrong foot... when he had a clear upperhand... the repubs should get over it better than they have, but their feelings were so hurt they decided to just be mindless obstructionists.
 
Romney stomped this heckler (who sounded like an abject moron in her attempts to be witty)...

Link to video.

He's getting pretty good. He has definitely had some stumbles, but when under constant scrutiny, every one does... even Hope & Change flubs.

Delegate count as of today makes it clear that Romney is squarely in charge also...
http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/scorecard/statebystate/r
Romney 562
Sanatorium 249
Gingrich 137
Paul 69
 
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