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It sure seems like a lot of crashes, but that's because there are so few to begin with.

Still, it's enough to trigger concern. I'm taking a couple of trips to China in coming months, and the stupid business travel website keeps popping up Asiana (and other similar carrier) flights that go through 2-3 extra intermediate stops. My wife freaks out at this, and I don't really like it either. A little massaging of the departure and arrival times got me one stop flights on a US carrier, but the plane is a 747-400. Well within the plane's expected lifetime, but :eek: .
 
I don't follow the reference.


The way I read it, it wasn't the square windows of the Comet with was responsible for the failures, but rather structural failures in the metals. :dunno: What my old landlord* would have called low cycle fatigue.



*For several decades my landlord ran the office of a major aerospace company which did failure testing on materials and components. He broke things, and then wrote reports on why they broke, so that other people could design things that didn't break so easy.
 
It sure seems like a lot of crashes, but that's because there are so few to begin with.

Still, it's enough to trigger concern. I'm taking a couple of trips to China in coming months, and the stupid business travel website keeps popping up Asiana (and other similar carrier) flights that go through 2-3 extra intermediate stops. My wife freaks out at this, and I don't really like it either. A little massaging of the departure and arrival times got me one stop flights on a US carrier, but the plane is a 747-400. Well within the plane's expected lifetime, but :eek: .

I wish it was 2008 again. First trip to Guangzhou with northwest it was from my local airport to Minneapolis to Japan then Guangzhou. Layovers of not more than 2 hours. There was no price difference for international flights if I left from my local airport or from a major airport 3 or 5 hour drive away. That was great unless one is super afraid of puddle jumpers.

When I went in 2009 with American Airlines it was my local airport to Chicago to Shanghai then Guangzhou. Chicago to Shanghai flight was 3 hours late resulting in missing my flight and having to sleepover in Shanghai (at least I got a free hotel room, but couldn't sleep thinking I was going to miss the early morning shuttle). The return trip had a 8 hour layover in Shanghai.

Now I check the cheapest flights and there is a stop in the Middle East......at least it is Qatar and not Baghdad. But there is that 8 hour layover again.
 
Oh look, another one.

Sepahan Airlines Flight 5915

TEHRAN, Iran—A regional passenger plane assembled in Iran crashed Sunday while taking off from the country's capital, Tehran, killing 39 and injuring another nine on board, according to a senior transportation official and state media.

Deputy Minister of Transportation Ahmad Majidi provided the latest casualty figures in an appearance on state television. The channel earlier reported that all 48 people on board had died.

The aircraft, an Iran-140, typically used for short domestic flights, crashed near Tehran's Mehrabad airport. The plane went down in a residential area after one of its engines went out, Iran's state-run IRNA news agency reported.

The plane was operated by Sepahan Air and was heading to Tabas, a town in eastern Iran. It took off at 9:20 a.m. local time and crashed shortly afterward.

State TV said the bodies of some of the victims were so badly burned that they couldn't be identified. They will be handed over to relatives after DNA tests are carried out to determine their identities, it said.

Easily explainable by the state of Iran's airlines, which rely on Soviet-era planes due to Western sanctions.
 
The way I read it, it wasn't the square windows of the Comet with was responsible for the failures, but rather structural failures in the metals. :dunno: What my old landlord* would have called low cycle fatigue.



*For several decades my landlord ran the office of a major aerospace company which did failure testing on materials and components. He broke things, and then wrote reports on why they broke, so that other people could design things that didn't break so easy.

The square windows were most definitely a source of failure, but not the only one. The corners in a square window cause stress concentrations and when the plane was repeatedly pressurized and depressurized, the frame was essentially flexing each time. The corners of the windows were one of the major spots where cracks formed and propogated, though not the only one. The subsequent recall and redesign of the Comet I led to the Comet II-IV which had oval windows to alleviate the problem.

To be completely fair, De Havilland did thoroughly test their airframes, however, the testing methods and techniques of the time were not stringent or precise enough to uncover the problems that arose from high-altitude jet flight. After the recall, De Havilland published the results of everything they learned which meant that Boeing and other competitors essentially got to learn from De Havilland's mistake and overtake them in market share. De Havilland paid a heavy price for being first-to-market but did the right thing and shared what they learned so others wouldn't make the same mistakes.


Today, the modern aviation industry is extremely regulated, both by self-regulation and by the government. There is a joke that goes along the lines of

'What do jet airliners run on?'
'Gasoline?'
'Nope, paperwork'

And the joke is pretty accurate. There is paperwork for every single operation that goes into making an airliner to make sure proper procedure is followed correctly. This joke is illustrated by the recent FAA fines on Southwest Airlines. SA had to do a bunch of repair work on their fleet and though they did the repairs correctly, they did not fill out the correct paperwork for the job(s) and were subsequently fined. If you think this is 'out of control' regulation, consider how many people could die on the average aircraft if such procedures are not followed and the subsequent devastation to the airline industry. Such regulation is entirely warranted.

Going back to stress cracks and fatigue - these days certain parts of airliners are called 'fracture critical' which means the part has to be specially treated to ensure stress/fatigue cracks do not form and propagate because if these parts fail, the airliner crashes. One way to mitigate such fatigue and stress problems is to treat the surface of a part.

When a part is machined, the machining process itself places the surface of the part in tension, which means that any tiny little crack that forms naturally tends to pull itself apart due to the tension forces. Manufacturers send these fracture critical parts to a shot peening machine that shoots the part with millions of sand grain-sized pieces of metal. This beats up the surface and relieves that tension so that when cracks form, they don't spread.


One great example of fatigue cracks (beside the Comet I) is the Tupolev 144, the Soviet's answer to the Concorde. Soviet industry and technology were not capable of creating such an airliner but they were hell bent of having one because the West had one. This rush led them to use 'novel' construction techniques such as making parts of the fuselage out of giant slabs of machined metal. This saved weight, but it also meant that once cracks formed, they spread down the entire length of the fuselage instead of coming to a joint and stopping. For this and numerous other reasons, the Tu-144 had a very brief passenger life and was essentially an enormous money-suck for the USSR.

Oh look, another one.

Sepahan Airlines Flight 5915



Easily explainable by the state of Iran's airlines, which rely on Soviet-era planes due to Western sanctions.

Yeah, they fly really old aircraft and have a hodge-podge of parts to keep it all together. It's not a good situation for them at all.
 
hobbsyoyo said:
There is paperwork for every single operation that goes into making an airliner to make sure proper procedure is followed correctly.
This is very true.
  • Even to make minor corrective operations, say changing the angle of a bracket someone's already stamped to say they completed, you would need to raise it and get process control to write a new corrective process which you would need to stamp for yourself once completed.
  • Tools have to be signed in and out of stores (where I am we don't even have hammers, just 2 rubber mallets in the entire factory that a team leader must sign out!)
  • Time limited stuff, i.e. sealants and paints have to be time stamped when you mix them
  • Every bit of work you carry out must be stamped for with a comment on how much is left to do
  • Many parts come with their own paperwork to have filled in, others with labels that need to be attached and virtually all parts and assemblies need to be marked with their part numbers and the process number under which they were fitted
  • There are forms for lost tools, damaged tools, damaged parts, wrong parts, replacement parts, the mutilation and scrapping of parts amongst a whole heap of other things.
  • If you deviate from a process, regardless of how cumbersome it seems, or in some cases how outright moronic it is, you'll find yourself in the fast track for disciplinary action. If there is a problem with the process it needs to be raised with yet more paperwork to get a correction.
and god help the team leader of the guy who finds a job where the parts you have are correct to the process and bill of materials, but clearly wrong when you attempt to fit them.

And thats just as a manufacturing apprentice, probably the place in aerospace where you see the least paperwork. Fortunately a lot of the above, like raising queries is done by teamleaders and the like, those guys spend 90% of their time dealing with the stuff.
hobbsyoyo said:
One great example of fatigue cracks (beside the Comet I) is the Tupolev 144, the Soviet's answer to the Concorde. Soviet industry and technology were not capable of creating such an airliner but they were hell bent of having one because the West had one. This rush led them to use 'novel' construction techniques such as making parts of the fuselage out of giant slabs of machined metal. This saved weight, but it also meant that once cracks formed, they spread down the entire length of the fuselage instead of coming to a joint and stopping. For this and numerous other reasons, the Tu-144 had a very brief passenger life and was essentially an enormous money-suck for the USSR.
A more recent and much better known example would be the A380 ribs. While it didn't cause any incidents, it was almost universal across all aircraft due to bad manufacturing processes, design and material choices.
 
You work in aerospace too? hahaha yeah that's exactly the kind of paperwork I'm talking about. It can be a bit of a nightmare but I am ok with it because as I said, it's been proven time and again to be necessary lest aircraft start falling out of the sky. Corporations can and will cut corners when given the opportunity to do so.

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I was not aware of the 380 wing ribs problem. I'll have to look it up, thanks!
 
You work in aerospace too? hahaha yeah that's exactly the kind of paperwork I'm talking about. It can be a bit of a nightmare but I am ok with it because as I said, it's been proven time and again to be necessary lest aircraft start falling out of the sky. Corporations can and will cut corners when given the opportunity to do so.

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I was not aware of the 380 wing ribs problem. I'll have to look it up, thanks!
Just a factory fitter, for now. Looking to go into stress or design side of engineering eventually.

I know maintenance and airline companies in particular are notorious for cutting corners, luckily where I work its historically been a lot more relaxed due to low build rates though it is a growing pressure coming down from management now.
Sheer laziness is the main cause of people ignoring the processes where I work, but I suspect its the same everywhere....
Even beyond the potential safety issues, its extremely annoying for the other workers who have to fix or work around any problems further down the line.

The wing rib cracks were found in the inspections following the QANTAS engine incident, unfortunately detailed information is difficult to find, probably due to it never leading to any incidents itself. Though it did cost Airbus at least 250 million Euros to repair!
 
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