AutomatedTeller
Frequent poster
Hmm. sounds like 275 BC didnt' get to Ronnie from me, then. I shall replay and resend.
OK - sorry about that. I have resent 275 BC to Ronnie.
OK - sorry about that. I have resent 275 BC to Ronnie.
3.19 PBEM Veni, Vidi, Vici
- Thread starter PieceOfMind
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Ronnie1
Deity
sent>>>>
ricketyclik
Emperor
250 BC to Dreylin
AutomatedTeller
Frequent poster
250 BC to Ronnie.
Ronnie1
Deity
to yao
Ronnie1
Deity
snip..
ricketyclik
Emperor
225 BC to Dreylin
AutomatedTeller
Frequent poster
225 to ronnie...
There is discussion going on in some threads whether it's allowed to reload turns in PBEM-games. A lot of people, including me, do this. It's a way of making use of the possibilities each round by changing orders in which I move my units until "the perfect order" is made. I know for a fact that I'm not the only one who plays this way.
Some examples why I believe this:
- I've been playing games in which I had a large stack of units that were wiped the next turn and my opponent had no significant losses
- I've (almost) never seen an opponent lose units without a strategy behind it (like offering one unit so another will survive)
Last but not least; when I was the only one who played this way I would have won most of the games. Fact is, I lost most of them...
It seems that what I consider normal play style seems to be cheating to other people. For me that's the limit; I play for fun and don't want to be accused of such nonsense !
If anyone in this game also considers this cheating please post this here so I can vacant my position to another person.
Some examples why I believe this:
- I've been playing games in which I had a large stack of units that were wiped the next turn and my opponent had no significant losses
- I've (almost) never seen an opponent lose units without a strategy behind it (like offering one unit so another will survive)
Last but not least; when I was the only one who played this way I would have won most of the games. Fact is, I lost most of them...
It seems that what I consider normal play style seems to be cheating to other people. For me that's the limit; I play for fun and don't want to be accused of such nonsense !
If anyone in this game also considers this cheating please post this here so I can vacant my position to another person.
I just had an interesting discussion with Calanthian. He shared his vision and I shared mine. Calanthian, as a relative newcomer to the PBEM scene, was convinced reloading wasn't allowed. Me, on the other hand, have been playing while using reloads as I see fit since the 1st day I've played PBEM-games. As far as i know, this has never had that been a problem for other players (and like I said, I know several other players do it too, without naming them, and I don't make a problem about it).
It's the same situation with the use of anabolic stereoids in the bodybuilding scene; no one admits he uses them, but to become the best, you simply have to use them. Another example is no guy watches porn on the internet but when you see their temporary internet files you'll see that.... erm... never mind.
I don't say everybody reloads but when I make an educated guess, I think 50-70 percent makes reloads when thing goes wrong. With that in mind, I simply can't agree with the rule that reloads are forbidden, because for me that's admitting that I "played the bad way". I'll step out the games where players has this opinion.
Ofcourse I want to do this in a nice way so I propose that I open the last turn, change the leader name to a generic one, remove the password and sent it to the game-hoster. Another option is that I change my CIV to AI.
I'll make this posting in every thread I'm playing in, to get your games moving fast again, please let the person that plays as the host of this game make a decision about the rules and if reloading isn't allowed drop me a PB so I can mail the turn with password removed to them. If on the other hand, the opinion is that reloading isn't a problem I'll be happy to stay and bash in your skulls
It's the same situation with the use of anabolic stereoids in the bodybuilding scene; no one admits he uses them, but to become the best, you simply have to use them. Another example is no guy watches porn on the internet but when you see their temporary internet files you'll see that.... erm... never mind.
I don't say everybody reloads but when I make an educated guess, I think 50-70 percent makes reloads when thing goes wrong. With that in mind, I simply can't agree with the rule that reloads are forbidden, because for me that's admitting that I "played the bad way". I'll step out the games where players has this opinion.
Ofcourse I want to do this in a nice way so I propose that I open the last turn, change the leader name to a generic one, remove the password and sent it to the game-hoster. Another option is that I change my CIV to AI.
I'll make this posting in every thread I'm playing in, to get your games moving fast again, please let the person that plays as the host of this game make a decision about the rules and if reloading isn't allowed drop me a PB so I can mail the turn with password removed to them. If on the other hand, the opinion is that reloading isn't a problem I'll be happy to stay and bash in your skulls
Dreylin
Cousin Itt!
Well, I'm still happy to play with you despite that shocking revelation! 
I tend to fall somewhere in the middle of the "Absolutely no reloads" to "maximise every turn" spectrum. If I'm throwing one stack against another, I rarely reload; but if I'm smacking down a Barb Warrior at 95% odds and lose...
In most games I've taken part in it's never mentioned, so I tend to assume that everyone does it to a greater or lesser extent, but I've played in games where it's been expressly forbidden and have no problem playing that way....
I tend to fall somewhere in the middle of the "Absolutely no reloads" to "maximise every turn" spectrum. If I'm throwing one stack against another, I rarely reload; but if I'm smacking down a Barb Warrior at 95% odds and lose...
In most games I've taken part in it's never mentioned, so I tend to assume that everyone does it to a greater or lesser extent, but I've played in games where it's been expressly forbidden and have no problem playing that way....
ricketyclik
Emperor
I'll go either way, as long it is declared which rule is being played.
AutomatedTeller
Frequent poster
My personal opinion (and it seems like Deztro has left) is that reloading is fine as long as you don't reload because of an RNG roll or because of something you have seen in the fog.
ie, if all you do is worker actions, reload as often as you want.
if you explore, you can reload as long as your explorations expose the same tiles
if you want to screw around with war and reload, go ahead, as long as you decide BEFORE which one will be the final war load.
I also don't think Deztro has to leave or anything. I completely believe that he thought PBEM's work the way he says he did - I don't think there's any bad intent, or anything. He seems like an straight-up guy, so I have no problems playing with him.
Who has the save?
ie, if all you do is worker actions, reload as often as you want.
if you explore, you can reload as long as your explorations expose the same tiles
if you want to screw around with war and reload, go ahead, as long as you decide BEFORE which one will be the final war load.
I also don't think Deztro has to leave or anything. I completely believe that he thought PBEM's work the way he says he did - I don't think there's any bad intent, or anything. He seems like an straight-up guy, so I have no problems playing with him.
Who has the save?
ricketyclik
Emperor
ronnie?
Ronnie1
Deity
I will continue to play...just tell me what the rules are.
I sent the 225bc save to yao on 3/27.
I sent the 225bc save to yao on 3/27.
Yaotlatoani
YaoCuauhtli
I sent BC0200 to Deztro, so now, who should I resend that game to since Deztro quit?
We'll have to find another player. Heh, I'm tempted to say I should take his place. 
However even if it was ok with you all I won't be doing that. I'm too busy of late to get into another pbem game.
However even if it was ok with you all I won't be doing that. I'm too busy of late to get into another pbem game.Similar threads
