CCA
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Isnt it easier to alltogether avoid that movie then? 
Your best bet imo anyway would be to act as if nothing is distressing you, although fakeing it always has its disadvantages (no real way of ensuring that something unexpected wont happen).
Your best bet imo anyway would be to act as if nothing is distressing you, although fakeing it always has its disadvantages (no real way of ensuring that something unexpected wont happen).
Bozo Erectus
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Problems with '300'
1. Persians are neither black, nor monsters. I was struck dumb when I saw the Persians being depicted this way. Its amazing, youd think this movie was made in 1937, not 2007.
2. Spartans werent freedom loving freedom fighters. They were much greater enemies of freedom than the 'demonic' Persians were. But we know the Spartans are the good guys because in addition to being white, they all move in slow motion.
3. There isnt a single photon of natural light in the entire film. The movie has a closed in claustrophobic feel to it as if every scene was shot in front of a green screen, because it was.
4. The sets look like warehouses of Hollywood 'ancient Greek' props were dumped on a tiny stage for a school auditorium.
5. The acting is atrocious, but not nearly as bad as the writing. Theres enough sophomoric corn there to keep us in ethanol for the next 20 years.
6. To say that this movie was shot like an MTV video would be paying it a compliment. Its more like a slick, computer generated ad for Spartan Auto Insurance, stretched out to movie length.
In conclusion, 300 is only the latest and most blatant example of what plagues modern movie making in Hollywood. Great care is taken to make every single frame a well composed image, 'eye candy' and much less to coherent or compelling story telling.
1. Persians are neither black, nor monsters. I was struck dumb when I saw the Persians being depicted this way. Its amazing, youd think this movie was made in 1937, not 2007.
2. Spartans werent freedom loving freedom fighters. They were much greater enemies of freedom than the 'demonic' Persians were. But we know the Spartans are the good guys because in addition to being white, they all move in slow motion.
3. There isnt a single photon of natural light in the entire film. The movie has a closed in claustrophobic feel to it as if every scene was shot in front of a green screen, because it was.
4. The sets look like warehouses of Hollywood 'ancient Greek' props were dumped on a tiny stage for a school auditorium.
5. The acting is atrocious, but not nearly as bad as the writing. Theres enough sophomoric corn there to keep us in ethanol for the next 20 years.
6. To say that this movie was shot like an MTV video would be paying it a compliment. Its more like a slick, computer generated ad for Spartan Auto Insurance, stretched out to movie length.
In conclusion, 300 is only the latest and most blatant example of what plagues modern movie making in Hollywood. Great care is taken to make every single frame a well composed image, 'eye candy' and much less to coherent or compelling story telling.
Finally someone has said it
I haven't seen the movie and I don't plan to, because this is the EXACT impression I got from their worthless previews (which somehow enthralled every other person 
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Abaddon
Deity
Why are we even discussing the historical errors .. 300 is a COMIC... we are not being told a historic story, its a COMIC that has been turned into a film...
Bozo Erectus
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With such a rich factual source material as the ancient Persian/Greek rivalry, why these people felt compelled to go along with a comic book, is beyond me.
Yes I read it and no, you didn't explain yourself. You described in great detail how the Spartans were praised and the Persians and Athenians vilified, as opposed to history. You then said that Leonidas was an obvious stand in for George Bush. You didn't actually make any real comparisons.
MjM
Deity
This movie is a comic in the point of view of the Spartans. Trying to find racist undertones is just dying for something to criticize.
Now that's just a troll. The Persian Empire historically was, an empire. Now, the slave-holding Spartans weren't freedom lovers either, but this is a COMIC told by the point of view of the SPARTANS.
Again, a comic book. I think the movie did this very well. It was pretty ingenious to film the movie in BLUEscreen technology.
How so? The Spartans historically did wear the things they wore in the film. Although I doubt every Persian had a silk uniform, they did wear similar things.
The acting was quite good, it is supposed to have an epic feel, and did so very well.
Just because you do not like the bluescreen technology, does not mean it is rather creative and very visually pleasing.
The movie told the story very well. How Dilios was telling the story to the floor of the council the whole time, made it feel very much like a good story.
I was not aware that in order to tell something from a particular point of view, you do so by leaving out anything inconvenient, exaggerating wildly and make up laughable conditions for the enemy, when there honestly is no need to do so.
Frankly, what is the point in showing the Persians to be monstrous black men? Why not just show them to be... Persians, with trousers 'n' all? There's nothing to suggest that we are supposed to believe that this is how Dliios retold the story, although it would be nice to think he was merely exaggerating in his retelling.
I do think arguments about it all being about the war on terror and how great Republicans are, are just silly. Remember, the movie starts off by showing just how much infanticide the Spartans commit in order to ensure the purity and strength of their race (Although since some say that while Republicans are vehemently anti-abortion, they don't care about babies after they've been born, that this isn't contradictory)...
Finally someone has said it
I felt the same way but then i watched the movie, it is a decent movie, it is by far not the "Gretast Movie Evah Man!" like some people claim, but it isnt either a "Racist worthless piece of excrement" other say.
Just:
Dont Expect Historical Accuracy
Dont Expect to be "Educated"
Dont Expect beautyfull sceneries and locations from Greece
Dont Expect a deep storyline or great acting
Just sit back and enjoy the bloodbath.
MjM
Deity
The movie doesn't portray every Persian to be humongous black men, in fact, only a few are. The Persian Empire did infact control lands in Africa at this time, so it is understandable that some of their solders are black.
Now of course, the giant men who looked like Nemesis from Resident Evil, or the man with claws for arms, that is purely exaggerated, purely for story telling.
Xanikk999
History junkie
I cant wait to see it...
Dont trust movie reviewers, they are usually snobby picky people who cant be satisfied with any movie that has raunchiness, total action or insane comedy.
Their opinion sucks.
Dont trust movie reviewers, they are usually snobby picky people who cant be satisfied with any movie that has raunchiness, total action or insane comedy.
Their opinion sucks.
Yeeek
Seizing The Day
I can understand people debating about the meaning behind such film as Munich for example, on the contrary a film like 300 I don't understand. Basically a war movie based on a comic book.
It has sex, battle scenes, some humour, heroes and villains. The film in my opinion did not hold any messages. Just entertainment for my viewing pleasure.
It has sex, battle scenes, some humour, heroes and villains. The film in my opinion did not hold any messages. Just entertainment for my viewing pleasure.
Troy, Alexander, U571, Pearl Harbour et al.
If you want to watch history, don't expect it to come out of Hollywood, it seldom will, just sit back enjoy and forget.
Artistic license. You'd hope at some point that they could get over the parts of the film that might be un PC or might not please their viewers, but it aint going to happen in your life time. So just take it for crap, enjoy and then go and watch something like Das Boot, and know what good film making is without the BS.
Although I have to say there was never any pretence with 300, with the others it was supposed to be real, it wasn't, but that's Hollywood for ya.
If you want to watch history, don't expect it to come out of Hollywood, it seldom will, just sit back enjoy and forget.
Artistic license. You'd hope at some point that they could get over the parts of the film that might be un PC or might not please their viewers, but it aint going to happen in your life time. So just take it for crap, enjoy and then go and watch something like Das Boot, and know what good film making is without the BS.
Although I have to say there was never any pretence with 300, with the others it was supposed to be real, it wasn't, but that's Hollywood for ya.
Abaddon
Deity
THIS IS NOT A HISTORICAL FILM, ITS A COMIC
Geez, why is this not understood.. it is nothing like any other "war film" etc
Geez, why is this not understood.. it is nothing like any other "war film" etc
Indeed, but it paints the Persians in a bad light, so it's gone all political.
It came out at such a time that there have been some serious concerns as to it's motivation, to paint "Persia" in a bad light or to entertain.
Yeah comic we all know it, but the timing could have been better.
No nothing like any other war film, they were worse, they at least were supposed to based on real history, and they were full of holes, or didn't represent the texts even somewhat closely. Much worse, 300 has been picked on but somewhat understandably.
Yeeek
Seizing The Day
What the Heck, can't people see that the Persian of this era have nothing in common with the Islamic regime of today's Iran? Or with Islam as a whole.
