300?

[jlvfr]

Guys... you're arguing about the contents of "300"!!!


It's about as... smart? consistent? usefull? as... arguing if the monsters from the 50's B movies were real!

 

[caketastydelish]

I am only biased towards the truth. If you wish to contest specific passages, quote them and respond as such.

Why don't you point out the "lies" then?

You linked to it, and issued a direct challenge after that. How were you NOT citing it? Admit it , your source is complete bunk, as is your outdated, racist ideology, and we can end this already.

If someone typed an entire dictionary, that was flawless with the exception of one type, is it complete debunk?

Le sigh. Here, I'll quote your own article for you, and show why it doesn't say what you think it says.

The Persian empire even (unfortenently) used the swatstztika! Darius himself claimed to be Aryan, I can dig the quote up for you if you want.




Taken from your provided wiki page. Not that wikipedia is an authoritative citation at any rate.

Ok, if wiki is not valuable, you just contradicted your own point.


There is a difference between providing a source, and providing proof. I can say "Jews are evil" and cite the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, but that doesn't mean that it's true. Just because you link to something that sort of says what you are saying doesn't mean that it's correct or true. So yes, we will continue to contest your archaic racial theories so long as you provide bunk evidence to back it up.

There is no comparison between the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and my sources.

My, how grown up of you.

 

[caketastydelish]

??? Maybe you can convince an unbeliever if you expose once again the proof of one single IndoEuropean language. With my understanding there is much proof of several similarities with all languages that don't tell me much. Also the Indoeuropean theories don't have only to do with language but several other assumptions regarding the prehistory of humanity in those regions.

Proving one of them does not prove the other and so i rightfully claim that their role into our conscience is vastly overrated . But i do believe they should stay and be examined more and more. I just see people getting overly dogmatic over them , but i guess that is indeed the repeating history.

If you go back far enough, you'll see a single language. The very original people settled around the black sea. Some of them went to Europe(probably most, as a matter of fact) some went to India, and some went to Persia. From that point on, they languages started getting different.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

I'm glad this has been a productive conversation.

If you go back far enough, you'll see a single language. The very original people settled around the black sea. Some of them went to Europe(probably most, as a matter of fact) some went to India, and some went to Persia. From that point on, they languages started getting different.

The langauge group also includes the Scythians, Sarmatians, Roxolani, as well as Parthians, Bactrians, Persians, Sindis, and the host of Indian languages.

 

[caketastydelish]

I'm glad this has been a productive conversation.



The langauge group also includes the Scythians, Sarmatians, Roxolani, as well as Parthians, Bactrians, Persians, Sindis, and the host of Indian languages.

Parthia was just Persia, hundreds of years later. They spoke middle-Persian.
Yes, over time the languages got farther and farther apart. I'm talking about at first.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Parthia was just Persia, hundreds of years later. They spoke middle-Persian.
Yes, over time the languages got farther and farther apart. I'm talking about at first.

Parthian was an ethnicity. And no, you were not talking about languages, you were talking about ethnicities. You said all Indo-European speaking peoples decended from a single, nonexistant Aryan people. Don't try and change your argument now that it's been disproven.

Oh, and next time, respond outside of the quotation brackets, not in them.

 

[caketastydelish]

Parthian was an ethnicity. And no, you were not talking about languages, you were talking about ethnicities. You said all Indo-European speaking peoples decended from a single, nonexistant Aryan people. Don't try and change your argument now that it's been disproven.

Oh, and next time, respond outside of the quotation brackets, not in them.

Disproven? I have yet to see any scientific sources. Oh bty, even if you give them to me, they "won't count" since all sources don't count. Oh never mind... How arogant of me... All MY sources don't count. Yours are just fine.

No, I know for a fact there was a group of people that settled around the black sea, that were the same race of people that spoke a common language. Some went to Europe, and some went to India and Iran. If your in high school(which I'm sure your that, if even that old) PLEASE don't join the debate team because you only see things one, narrow minded way. Also, you only listen to sources(which you've give none, by the way) that support YOUR argument.

I was talking about both. Well, they're both. think of it this way: "Jew" can be either a race, or a religion. The original Jewish people were a semetic group of people. They were Hebrews. So even if you are not a part of the religion you can still have a Jewish background. On the other hand, even if you DON'T have a Jewish background, you can always convert.

There was an original race of people that spoke a common, language. Some went to Europe, some went to India, some went to Iran. Its possible to be of a non-Indo European heritage and speak a Indo-European language. Its possible to be of a Indo European heritage and speak a non-Indo European language. And i've already given sources, weather you like them or not, to support this.

Don't you change your argument now that its been disproven.

 

[Traitorfish]

You keep saying "race". What exactly do you mean by that?

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Disproven? I have yet to see any scientific sources. Oh bty, even if you give them to me, they "won't count" since all sources don't count. Oh never mind... How arogant of me... All MY sources don't count. Yours are just fine.

I'm quite sure I have put out a few citations. However, most of my points have been why your sources are not credible, and why your reasoning is wrong.

No, I know for a fact there was a group of people that settled around the black sea, that were the same race of people that spoke a common language.

What, were you there or something?

Some went to Europe, and some went to India and Iran.

And yes, we agree that there were similar languages being spoken between these peoples, and that many European languages are similar to Iranian and some Indian languages for this reason. No one is arguing that. However, the people speaking these langauges were NOT genetically identical.

If your in high school(which I'm sure your that, if even that old) PLEASE don't join the debate team because you only see things one, narrow minded way.

I was hoping we'd refrain from ad hominem attacks. If you choose to walk down this path, that's your perogative.

Also, you only listen to sources(which you've give none, by the way)

Most of my claims have been public domain information. I don't need to cite them. Should I also cite that the sky is blue?

that support YOUR argument.

Why would I listen to a source that talks about races originiating from imaginary places like Atlantis?

I was talking about both. Well, they're both. think of it this way: "Jew" can be either a race, or a religion. The original Jewish people were a semetic group of people. They were Hebrews. So even if you are not a part of the religion you can still have a Jewish background. On the other hand, even if you DON'T have a Jewish background, you can always convert.

You just argued against your own point. People can speak the same language, or be the same religion, but be ethnically different.

There was an original race of people that spoke a common, language.

No, there were several "races" of people who spoke the same language.

Some went to Europe, some went to India, some went to Iran. Its possible to be of a non-Indo European heritage and speak a Indo-European language. Its possible to be of a Indo European heritage and speak a non-Indo European language.

You really love shooting holes in your own boat, don't you?

And i've already given sources, weather you like them or not, to support this.

I devoted a large amount of time previously to discussing why your sources are not credible. If you're at all interested in honest scholarship, you'll go back and read it again.

Don't you change your argument now that its been disproven.

Repeating a Parthian Shot is neither witty nor cool, by the way.

 

[caketastydelish]

I'm quite sure I have put out a few citations. However, most of my points have been why your sources are not credible, and why your reasoning is wrong.



What, were you there or something?

No, but I've read this multiple times from multiple sources. Not that I'll bother citing them since it won't count.

And yes, we agree that there were similar languages being spoken between these peoples, and that many European languages are similar to Iranian and some Indian languages for this reason. No one is arguing that. However, the people speaking these langauges were NOT genetically identical.

At one point, they were. Heck, at one time the entire human race was identical at the very, very beginning. From that point on, things got different. The Aryans are the fifth foot race. Seriously, how many times do I have to repeat myself?

I was hoping we'd refrain from ad hominem attacks. If you choose to walk down this path, that's your perogative.

Like your smart-alec remarks aren't so.

Most of my claims have been public domain information. I don't need to cite them. Should I also cite that the sky is blue?

You compare "the sky is blue" to the bs you keep putting out.

Why would I listen to a source that talks about races originiating from imaginary places like Atlantis?

That was one small part, and not even the quote I was referring too. I gave you an entire wikipedia page, and you must have searched it three times over for one inaccuracy, and you found it. Good job.

You just argued against your own point. People can speak the same language, or be the same religion, but be ethnically different.

True, but I'm saying just like religions can have a genetic background(to a degree) so can languages, and this is the case.

No, there were several "races" of people who spoke the same language.

How many races of people speak English? But at one point at time, it was only European. In this same since, at one point of time, the only people that spoke the original indo-european race, were the indo-european people.

You really love shooting holes in your own boat, don't you?

Not as much as you.

I devoted a large amount of time previously to discussing why your sources are not credible. If you're at all interested in honest scholarship, you'll go back and read it again.

An entire article well written you simply dismised as "like reading all your post over again". Oh yeah, bravo!

Repeating a Parthian Shot is neither witty nor cool, by the way.
What the heck does that even mean?

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

What the heck does that even mean?

Answer me outside the quote brackets, and I'll respond.

 

[caketastydelish]

Answer me outside the quote brackets, and I'll respond.

If I knew how to do that, I would.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

If I knew how to do that, I would.

Type [QUOTE] where you want a quote to begin, and [/QUOTE] where you want it to end.

 

[caketastydelish]

Answer me outside the quote brackets, and I'll respond.

Did I fix it???

 

[Maimonides]

Oldschooler88, I'm sorry, but watching you debate Cheezy on this has been like watching a guy with a slingshot enter a gunfight. You're six feet under & you don't even seem to realize it...

Besides, wasn't this thread about a really bad movie about an amazing battle?

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

It's okay, I've had enough fun here to realize this is unproductive. The facts are there, if he wants to see them.

 

[caketastydelish]

Oldschooler88, I'm sorry, but watching you debate Cheezy on this has been like watching a guy with a slingshot enter a gunfight. You're six feet under & you don't even seem to realize it...

Besides, wasn't this thread about a really bad movie about an amazing battle?

No, I understand now. I understand how the system works.

My facts> your opinions > his facts.

Thats it. I got it. No need for any more debate.

 

[caketastydelish]

It's okay, I've had enough fun here to realize this is unproductive. The facts are there, if he wants to see them.

igualmente

 

[Traitorfish]

The Aryans are the fifth foot race. Seriously, how many times do I have to repeat myself?

How many times does it take before the first sentence begins to even remotely make sense?

 

[philippe]

guys, guys, guys.

Oldschooler88

Of course I expect some drivel about "the Aryan race".