31OCM Units
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Goldflash
Civ III Modder, Civ VII Player
the Pictish Warrior was made by Utah Jazz
Mongoloid Cow
Great Khan
Could work, but chances are you'd have a 'horse archer' unit for every Central Asian empire from Scythia, to the Seljuq Turks, any other Turks, the Mongols, the Manchus, etc. etc. It's why I suggested the bronze chariot for them. But it's your call and there is nothing wrong with selecting the horse archer, just make sure you make it unique.
Mongoloid Cow
Great Khan
Xen said:
No that would be the Ostrogoths
or more specifically the Taurasian Ostrogoths. The Visigoths were the ones who ruled Spain for several centuries and later became the Christian Spanish.
Mongoloid Cow said:No that would be the Ostrogoths
that wa sonly i[]after[/i] they migrated and fougth thier way through the Roman "empire"; they were known as the Visigoths BEFORE said migration happend, because the origional gothic peoples had split, and (obviouslly) these made up the western portion of the split "nation" of the goths
bombshoo said:
both groups of Goths (Visi, and ostro) before thie rmigrations into Roman held territory showed ample signs of centrlizaiton intoa indipendent states, based looslly on a combination of the Roman model of monarchy, and traditional tribal rule (eg; they were forming into a tentative feudalistic society)
in Spain, they were 'Goths" in name only; thier culture was roman, and so was the vast moajorit yof the populaiton, and even the majority of the people in government, as th eGoths, liek mos tof the other barbarian tribes, didnt have the need adminstaiton skills to runa full state, so they enlisted the local Romans/Romanized populace to fill the important positions that needed filling in thie rnew little governments.
Mongoloid Cow
Great Khan
Yes, but the Visigoths were in Ukraine and Romania for like what... a forgettable century or so when the Ostrogoths were fame for being there. On the other hand, they were in Spain for like three centuries where they experienced a golden age (which al-Andalus built on), and Visigothic refugees founded Asturias, which would later evolve into Spain and Portugal... take your pick.
Xen said:
Not too much, yes they adopted Roman Culture, but a huge part of the population was Gothic or mixed in with them. (They were barbarians they raped anything that even remotley looked like a women.)
They were much more powerful in Spain, before Islam anyways, they had a good 300 years atleast there too. In modern Spain today, they are a very Latin culture, but you can still see Germanic Influences (they act alot more like France, England, or Netherlands, then Greek or Slavic countries.) Though true, they are closest to Italy, remember they had +500 years of Germanic occupation too.
Mongoloid Cow
Great Khan
Mobilize said:
A reguest for a Xiong bronze chariot would most likely have to be requested and made, I doubt anyone has even heard of them on these forums besides me. But like I said before, it is your choice, just try not to stereotype each Central Asian civ with a lame horse archer.
http://www.keele.ac.uk/socs/ks45/PageHistory/Club/bracey/Kushan/Military/notes.htm
Here is a page on Kushan Military. The War Elephant was cool..I also read something about them adopting Hopilites after the Greeks...A Kushan Hopilite could be very interesting.
Here is a page on Kushan Military. The War Elephant was cool..I also read something about them adopting Hopilites after the Greeks...A Kushan Hopilite could be very interesting.
bombshoo said:
A)germanic populations never reached over 5-10% of the total p[opulation; that harldey a drop int he bucket, let alone "a huge part of the populaiton" as for rape; woudl ahve happend; but obviouslly not enought to piss off the majority of the local popuation
Mongoloid Cow said:
A)the ostrogoths were located aorund the crimean peninsula, not romania and th eukrian until the Visigoths left it, and even then the visigothic remiants are the ones who still held fame in the region, as the ostrogoths themselves were just passers by in the area
B)yes a goldne age mor eor less intiated by the goths dropping almost all of thier heritage, and tryign to mimic Roman culture and imperial civlization, but with the guise of a gemrmanic condfedercy, which would eventually fully metamophisize itself into fuedalism (note, this process began well before the goths as a whole even spilt)
those put together, twould eb better to put the visigoths in the ukrian and Romania; conmsidering that if rome had neve rcoem along, that is wher ethey woudl have stayed, and thier traditional golden age is built upon them essentiall becoming "ROmans" to the best of thier ability anyway
Goldflash
Civ III Modder, Civ VII Player
Thats Enough Xen. They aren't going to change it.
@goldflash; so? how much do they have done on said visigothic civ? the Etruscans for instance have th ebenifit of having a full city list, great leaders for both military, and science, an already made UU, plus a better idea for a UU that could be mad ein the future, has a firm historicle start, had a unique culture, and its main leader, if needed, can be represented by the Caesar leader head graphic.
If people want a western european civ, then you shoudl look to the real civilizations that inhabited the area, and built a indipendent culture an dcivlization thier; look to Etruria, to the Iberians, to the Irish; not to people who have thier origons on the oter side of europe, and only came into being a naitonal power after they had abandoned a unique culture
If people want a western european civ, then you shoudl look to the real civilizations that inhabited the area, and built a indipendent culture an dcivlization thier; look to Etruria, to the Iberians, to the Irish; not to people who have thier origons on the oter side of europe, and only came into being a naitonal power after they had abandoned a unique culture
Mongoloid Cow
Great Khan
Xen, we have a leader with matching leaderhead, city list, great leader list and scientific great leader list for all civs. This thread is to discuss the last item of discussion - the UU.
Not true, the Visigoths fled across the Danube from the Huns whilst the Ostrogoths remained behind and spread over their lands. But you're right on them dropping their Gothic culture and mimicing the Roman culture, but then again so did the Franks, Vandals, Lombards, Heruli, Ostrogoths, Hermanduri, Alans, Burgundians and who knows how many other Germanic tribes in varying degrees.
Xen said:
Not true, the Visigoths fled across the Danube from the Huns whilst the Ostrogoths remained behind and spread over their lands. But you're right on them dropping their Gothic culture and mimicing the Roman culture, but then again so did the Franks, Vandals, Lombards, Heruli, Ostrogoths, Hermanduri, Alans, Burgundians and who knows how many other Germanic tribes in varying degrees.
*ahem* did I ever say ANY of them are qualified to be a western european nation either 
anyway,a s for the ostrogoths; they too eventually fled thier old lands, and what ever was left was lef tto eh various gothic reminants, and whomeever else moved intot eh are a9slavs and bulgars and what not, in due time at least)
anyway,a s for the ostrogoths; they too eventually fled thier old lands, and what ever was left was lef tto eh various gothic reminants, and whomeever else moved intot eh are a9slavs and bulgars and what not, in due time at least)
