38 dishonest tactics used in arguments

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One of my favourite books is 'Straight and Crooked Thinking'. There is an invaluable guide at the back of this book: 38 dishonest tactics used in arguments

1) The use of emotionally toned words.
He is a terrorist; he is a freedon fighter.

2) Making a statement in which 'all' is implied but 'some' is true``
English people have bad teeth.

3) Proof by selected instances
If we are arguing for the success of private enterprise, it is not sufficent to quote a couple of examples of failed public enterprises or successful private enterprises.

4) Extension of an opponent's proposition
"If you are against fox hunting then logically you should be against all forms of hunting".

5) Evasion of a sound refutation of an argument by the use of a sophistical formula
"the exception proves the rule"

6) Diversion to another question, to a side issue or to an irrelevancy.
One may argue against a literal interpretation of the bible by saying one does believe Jonah could be swallowed by a whale and live. His opponent counters by saying the bible says it was 'a great fish' and a whale is not a fish. Irrelevant diversion! This tactic is likely to be successful if humour is involved.

7) Proof by inconsequential argument.
"Churchill was Lord of the Admiralty in 1914 and again in 1939 so this proves the war was started by Churchill." There is no logical connection between the facts and the conclusion.

8) The argument that we should not make efforts against X because there is a worse evil Y.
For example as an argument against anti war demonstrations, it was stated that more deaths resulted from road accidents in some number of years than in some war. A debator may ask why politicians concern themselves with wages when the threat of overpopulation will end civilisation.

9) The recommendation of a position because it is between two extremes.
If I wished to cinvinve you that 2+2=5, I might commend it to you as the safe middle position between 2+2=4 and 2+2=6. There is no reason why truth cannot lie on one extreme.

10) Pointing out the logical correctness of an argument whose premises contain doubtful or untrue statements.
All fungi are poisonous
Mushrooms are fungi
Therefore mushrooms are poisonous.

The logic is fine but the first premise is worng so the conclusion is wrong.

11) The use of an argument of unsound logical form
All A's are B
C is a B
therefore C is an A

All planets are spherical
this ball is spherical
Therefore this ball is a planet is pretty obviously wrong

All communists are evil
he is evil
therefore he is a communist - is a common argument form in some places

12) Argument in a circle
P is true because of Q; Q is true because of P

It is argued that human action is not free because say we have a choice between standing and running away, the stronger impulse overcomes the other. When we ask how do we know it was stronger, the reply is that it must be because that behaviour took place.

13) Begging the question
Suppose A and B dispute whether Christian lead better lives than non-christians. A maintains they do but B points to numerous people who go to church but beat their wives. A refuses to accept this stating that they are not 'really' Christians.

14) Discussing a verbal proposition as if it were a factual one.
Many discussions are of this type and much fruitless debate follows. "Is a tomato a fruit or a vegetable" rather depends on what the word fruit is taken to mean.

15) Putting forward a tautology as if it were a factual argument.
"You agree that too much government is bad" . Too much of anything is necessarily bad or it wouldnt be too much.

16) The use of a speculative argument.
Inferring what is from what ought to be or what the speaker feels must be.
"Telepathy is not possible because a thought canot pass from one mind to another without some physical means of communication."

17) Change in the meaning of a term during the course of an argument.
Words such as 'capitalism' or 'democracy' can evolve during a discussion from their orginal historic meaning to modern usage and back again.

18) The use of a dilemma which ignores a continuous series of possiblities between two options presented.
"A man must be sane or insane and if he is insane he must be incapable of rational argument". Sanity is continuous.

19) The use of continuity to throw doubt on the difference between two things.
"When does a man become rich ? $100 $100000 in the bank?

20) Illegitimate demand for definition
"How exactly do you define religion?"

21) Suggestion by repeated affirmation
22) Suggestion by use of a confident manner
Say it often enough and loudly and people wil believe it

23) Suggestion by prestige
I am highly qualifies so I must be right.

24) Prestige by false credentials
I drive a Rolls Royce so I must be rich - or a conman.

25) Prestige by the use of pseudotechnical jargon
Best dealt with by asking the writer to explain himself simply

26) Affectation of failure to understand backed by prestige
I am a professor and I dont understand the point you are making (- so you must be talking nonsense)

27) The use of questions to draw out damaging admissions
"Do you admit that the enemy murdered their prisoners, bombed defenseless towns, fired on the Red Cross and sunk hospital ships? Yes or No" Plainly the answer may be yes to some and no to others.

28) The appeal to mere authority
Lets ask an expert who agress with me.

29) Overcoming resistance to a doubtful proposition by a preliminary statement of a few easily accepted ones.
Start with a few statements that noone will disagree with. Patriotism. Apple Pie. Then slip in your real statement.

30) Statement of a doubtful proposition in such a form as to fit with the prejudices of the hearer.
"The French speak a strange language"

31) The use of predigested thought as premises in argument
Everybody says X. Everybody agrees Y.

32) "There is much to be said on both sides so no decision can be made either way"
Taking no action may have very real consequences too.

33) Argument by mere analogy.
"A dog cant survive by eating its own tail so a country must have trade". Analogies and models break down

34) Argument by forced analogy
A is B just as C is D where A and B are abstract and C and D are familiar. But how close is the analogy between A/B and C/D?

35) Angering an opponent so that he argues badly
"You must be an idiot to believe that"

36) Special pleading
My wage rise is an incentive to work. Your wage rise would be inflationary.

37) Commending or condemming a proposition because of its practical consequences for the hearer.
"The proposed tax rise will make you $10 a week worse off." But is it good for the country?

38) Argument by attributing prejudice to ones opponent.
It is not sufficient to to argue against Socialism by suggesting its proponents are envious of the rich.

This was written in 1930. Some of the examples are mine. Its still relevent, I think.
 
Im surprised this hasn't been stickied already.

The ones I see most often here are #6, 3,1,8,11,13,20,35.
 
The ones I see most often are all, I think :)

Some fallout from the Ayn Rand thread, Col ? ^^
 

36) Special pleading
My wage rise is an incentive to work. Your wage rise would be inflationary.

This is my favourite - if only I was a Member of Parliament so I could use it without it sounding like a joke.
 
I don't know if 19 and 20 are such bad things. It's hard to convey an emotion over text. Text alone has no emotional value, it's entirely subjective.
 
Originally posted by Akka

Some fallout from the Ayn Rand thread, Col ? ^^

I get frustrated at times in some threads by people who do not know how to argue correctly. Being an educator I thought maybe I should do something about that.
 
Originally posted by rmsharpe
I don't know if 19 and 20 are such bad things.

19 is commonly used to suggest that there is no real differecne between black and white - they are both shades of grey.

"There is no real difference between Labour and Conservative, they are all just politicians"
 
28) The appeal to mere authority
Lets ask an expert who agress with me.

This is a mistake when the expert is asked/quoted about a subject he is not an expert about.
For example, taking Einstein's opinion in an international territorial dispute.
or
"You should smoke XXX because world-champion sprinter YYY smokes them".

However, when you use the opinion of an expert concerning his field of expertise, it is obviously not a mistake.


One logical mistake I see around here a lot is the "Slippery Slope" argument. It is used wrongly and much too often here.

post edited :mischief:
 
No - to quote Richard Feynman - it doesnt matter how eminent the person is who comes up with an answer. All that matters is - is it right or wrong.
 
Originally posted by IceBlaZe


This is a mistake when the expert is asked/quoted about a subject he is not an expert about.
For example, taking Einstein's opinion in an international territorial dispute.
or
"You should smoke XXX because world-champion sprinter YYY smokes them".

However, when you use the opinion of an expert concerning his field of expertise, it is obviously not a mistake.


One logical mistake I see around here a lot is the "Slippery Slope" argument. It is used wrongly and much too often here.

post edited :mischief:

But since in most common arguments there are experts on both sides of the issue, pointing to an expert who agrees with you and using the mere fact that he's an expert who agrees with you to bolster your case is fallacious.
 
But since in most common arguments there are experts on both sides of the issue, pointing to an expert who agrees with you and using the mere fact that he's an expert who agrees with you to bolster your case is fallacious.

It is not fallacious as it can be fruitless, when the "other side" of the argument raises the opinion of another expert which counters the former. It is not fallacious, though.
For example, when you are looking to settle the Israeli-Palestinian issue - and you raise the opinion of a senior UN representative to the area - is it fallacious?
If it was fallacious, "expert opinion" would have no point in this world.
 
Thanks for posting these col! I'll refrain from using them here, but they'll come in very handy at work. ;)
 
One problem of the appeal to established authority is that in many cases what the authority said is in a slightly different context or they had different reasons for arguing that way at that time.

It is true too that all pronouncements made by experts should be treated with deep suspicion. They must prove their case no less than anyone else. Their judgments must not be accepted simply because they are or were expert .
 
No - to quote Richard Feynman - it doesnt matter how eminent the person is who comes up with an answer. All that matters is - is it right or wrong.

Alright, let's say we have two posters in this forum arguing about a certain issue concerning the immune system.
To settle the issue, one side decides to bring a renowned infectious disease expert to weigh his opinion, based on his extensive knowledge, concerning the issue at hand. Such a step is not a dishonest tactic, nor a logical mistake. Agreed?
 
Originally posted by col


I get frustrated at times in some threads by people who do not know how to argue correctly. Being an educator I thought maybe I should do something about that.
:lol: I'm sure you never argue dishonestly since you are so educated:crazyeye:
 
Originally posted by IceBlaZe


Alright, let's say we have two posters in this forum arguing about a certain issue concerning the immune system.
To settle the issue, one side decides to bring a renowned infectious disease expert to weigh his opinion, based on his extensive knowledge, concerning the issue at hand. Such a step is not a dishonest tactic, nor a logical mistake. Agreed?

Thats fine if the expert confines his opinion to areas of his technical expertise.

But the first law of research says

"To every PhD, there is an equal and opposite Ph.D"

Your expert. My expert. Experts are rarely unanimous.
 
Originally posted by Smidlee

:lol: I'm sure you never argue dishonestly since you are so educated:crazyeye:

Knowing the tricks helps me win - and shoot down others quite effectively.
 
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