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The Yak-9?
3rd Cumulative WW2 History Quiz
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Adler17
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Yak 3.
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On July 14th 8 Yak 3 attacked a German force of 60 Ju 88 and Me 109 shooting down 3 Ju 88 and 4 Me 109 without any losses. On the same day 18 Yak 3 engaged 30 Me 109 downing 15 of them by only one loss. This lead to Keßelrings order. Although the Yak 3 was the most dangerous enemy in the eyes of Barkhorn and Hartmann, there was a good strategy with a Me 109 to win the fight: a steep turn with 4 g until the front flaps on the wings feldout with a speed of about 240 km/h. Then even a Yak 3 could be outmaneuvered by a Me 109. But not all German pilots were so experienced like Hartmann or Barkhorn.
So here is my question: The ten German top aces shot down 2572 enemy planes (confirmed kills). How many of them survived the war? Name the dead (Bonus).
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So here is my question: The ten German top aces shot down 2572 enemy planes (confirmed kills). How many of them survived the war? Name the dead (Bonus).
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Zardnaar
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7/10 survived the war. The KIA were
Otto Kittel 267 kills
Walter Nowotny 258 kills
Heinrich Ehrler 209 kills
Otto Kittel 267 kills
Walter Nowotny 258 kills
Heinrich Ehrler 209 kills
Adler17
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Most of my sources say Ehrler had only 205 or 206 kills. However 2 of them agree with you. So Zardnaar´s answer is valid. Your turn.
A small bio of the killed pilots:
Kittel was the top scorer against Russian Il 2 Sturmovic battle planes, a plane very difficult to kill. Heavily armoured and armed with arear gunner. However he managed it to down 94 of them. Nobody shot down more. He was himself shot down by a Il 2 with return fire from the rear gunner and died February 14th 1945 after shooting down his last Il 2. Until then only FlaK shot him down once.
Nowotny was the first pilot to pass the 250 kills line. He was testing the Me 262 fighter in a special squadron. He achieved there 3 confirmed kills, the only ones against non Russians. On November 8th he shot down a P 51 and B 24. However one of his engines kept fire and he had to fly with only one engine being an easy prey for the 2 US P 51 shooting him down. In times of his death he was a "superstar" among the German propaganda.
Ehrler was a brave man. He was in 1944 in charge of flying CAP over the last operational German battleship, Tirpitz, when because of several errors the Tirpitz was sunk without the CAP could be there in time. Although having no guilt on that he was the scapegoat. He was blamed and also sentenced to death, a penalty not executed. However Ehrler was allowed to fly further but did not receive his Swords to the Knights Cross with Oak Leaves. His morale was broken, although he flew further missions and shot down further planes. At last he flew the Me 262 in JG 7. On April 4th 1945 he attacked a swarm of B 17. 2 were victims of his guns. He reported that his ammo was depleted so he would ram. On the next day his dead body was found. He scored 8 or 9 kills in flying the Me 262.
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A small bio of the killed pilots:
Kittel was the top scorer against Russian Il 2 Sturmovic battle planes, a plane very difficult to kill. Heavily armoured and armed with arear gunner. However he managed it to down 94 of them. Nobody shot down more. He was himself shot down by a Il 2 with return fire from the rear gunner and died February 14th 1945 after shooting down his last Il 2. Until then only FlaK shot him down once.
Nowotny was the first pilot to pass the 250 kills line. He was testing the Me 262 fighter in a special squadron. He achieved there 3 confirmed kills, the only ones against non Russians. On November 8th he shot down a P 51 and B 24. However one of his engines kept fire and he had to fly with only one engine being an easy prey for the 2 US P 51 shooting him down. In times of his death he was a "superstar" among the German propaganda.
Ehrler was a brave man. He was in 1944 in charge of flying CAP over the last operational German battleship, Tirpitz, when because of several errors the Tirpitz was sunk without the CAP could be there in time. Although having no guilt on that he was the scapegoat. He was blamed and also sentenced to death, a penalty not executed. However Ehrler was allowed to fly further but did not receive his Swords to the Knights Cross with Oak Leaves. His morale was broken, although he flew further missions and shot down further planes. At last he flew the Me 262 in JG 7. On April 4th 1945 he attacked a swarm of B 17. 2 were victims of his guns. He reported that his ammo was depleted so he would ram. On the next day his dead body was found. He scored 8 or 9 kills in flying the Me 262.
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Luftwaffe aces had insane amount of kills. 2 had over 300!!!!!
I don't have a question so 1st in 1st served.
I don't have a question so 1st in 1st served.
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That's hardly suprising to be fair. Most of them served throughout the war, most of them in the East against opponents that were at least early on hardly competent, flying planes that should have been in museums, or planes without such trivial equipment as sights for the guns and so on.
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privatehudson said:
Still. Several of them had impressive totals vs western planes. The Red Airforce was shabby though. I read that 47% of their loses were due to mechanical failure/pilot error.
Adler17
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That was only for the first about 1 1/2 years at best. Then with the La 5, La 7 and Yak 3, additional to Spitfire and Mustangs, the Red Air force had good planes and the pilots were also not bad at all. However it was the toughest fightings on that front and so middle class pilots had little chances to survive. However the experts like Barkhorn and Hartmann and so on had their own turkey shooting, although it is unfair to say since the Russians downed nearly all of the top aces at least once...
OTOH in the west Hans- Joachim Marseilles was able to shoot down 158 British and British allies over the channel and Africa. Galland shot down 104 British and US planes. Heinz Bär had 125 of his 222 victories against western allied planes. Here is a list of the aces on the western front: http://www.luftwaffe.cz/western.html The fact why they had these impressive figures: They had to fly the whole war and against all numerical odds. We have a phrase in Germany: Viel Feind, viel Ehr´ (Many enemies, much honour).
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OTOH in the west Hans- Joachim Marseilles was able to shoot down 158 British and British allies over the channel and Africa. Galland shot down 104 British and US planes. Heinz Bär had 125 of his 222 victories against western allied planes. Here is a list of the aces on the western front: http://www.luftwaffe.cz/western.html The fact why they had these impressive figures: They had to fly the whole war and against all numerical odds. We have a phrase in Germany: Viel Feind, viel Ehr´ (Many enemies, much honour).
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How many of them flew Focke Wulf? Perhaps the best propeller plane of the war although I believe the TA 152 was better but arrived to late to have much impact.
Adler17
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Most German aces liek Harmann preferred to fly the Me 109 instead of the FW 190. Even they flew this machine when the whole wing was flying the FW 190. And still they were victorious. Why I don´t know. I would ever prefer a FW 190 over a Me 109. Also the Ta 152 was developed off the FW 190...
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anyone got a ?? would I be out of like to post one?
What caused the only US casualties on the US mainland during the americans war with Japan? Bonus, what were they made of?
wasnt sure if i should post one.. its been awhile so if not i apologize. although it is a good question
What caused the only US casualties on the US mainland during the americans war with Japan? Bonus, what were they made of?
wasnt sure if i should post one.. its been awhile so if not i apologize. although it is a good question
cidknee said:
Believe the board was wide open for anyone to ask.
That is a good question. I'm curious if you mean U.S. casualties caused by combat or warfare or an accident related to the war? The only attacks I can think of by the Japanese on the U.S. mainland were by a submarine floatplane which dropped a couple small bombs in the northwest and by some hairbrained balloon scheme where the balloons were released by the Japanese, from I'm not sure where, to float in the upper atmosphere and eventually make the U.S. west coast. They were carrying small incidiaries, I think. No sure what the balloons themselves were made of.
But I'm not aware if either of these attacks caused any casualties or not.
The answer is the ballon one, 6 people and 1 cow were killed by the few that hit the mainland, another I believe started a small fire which burned a small portion of the forest. I believe the ballons were made out the same things the NASA high attiltude ballons are made of, alluminum and synthetic rubber. but in any case I got it right
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I'm reasonably sure the Japanese baloon brigade did kill someone who was inspecting one that had landed.
meisen said:
i meant "casualties inflictied by japanese to american citizens on the US mainland".
You did get it right, it was the balloon brigade.
no they werent made of rubber at all.....they were made of paper believe it or not.
good job meisen and colonel.
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Thanks, but I was just guessing and didn't really know the specifics. Colonel got the facts on this one so I really think the next question deserves to be his.
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"good job meisen and colonel.
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Thanks, but I was just guessing and didn't really know the specifics. Colonel got the facts on this one so I really think the next question deserves to be his.
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