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[member66170]

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[MadDjinn]

nah, not the new 'best', but better than before definitely.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

The extra spy is now a contested feature addition. Some reports indicate that it might have been removed. But still, England is getting a major boost from this expansion.

 

[Maximo the Xth]

+1 Spy to UA. As if this wasn't enough, they get a direct improvement. Hard to judge how good this will be, but you really can't complain with an extra spy.

The spy was removed. But England will be much better anyway.
Edit: Somebody was faster...

 

[Beefie]

Even then, hard to be best Civ when you're still reliant on there being large amounts of water on the map, Don't think Lizzy's going to be storming the great plains any time soon

 

[aziantuntija]

I dont think that England will be able to maintain the +1 range from longbows to gatling and MG.

 

[Beefie]

I don't disagree with you that England will now be much more competitive, especially with the greater importance of navies. But I'm just arguing that as you say they will "dominate" on a map that nullifies their UA and one of their UUs, on the strength of the other UU then on any other map type with water every other Civ may as pack their bags cause England have it in the bag!
For the sake of balance this can't be true.

 

[Louis XXIV]

I dont think that England will be able to maintain the +1 range from longbows to gatling and MG.

It's currently a promotion. They'd have to change the Longbow to prevent it from staying with the unit after promotion.

 

[bcaiko]

I dont think that England will be able to maintain the +1 range from longbows to gatling and MG.

That could be true, but would be silly IMHO.

Certainly, with the improvements to the importance of naval warfare and the potential to upgrade England's unique ground unit into something that makes sense (and can at least retain the promotions won via experience), England will have vastly improved.

 

[nokmirt]

I dont think that England will be able to maintain the +1 range from longbows to gatling and MG.

Perhaps those units should stick to a one hex range even for the English. The thing that would be interesting is the English player to keep balance, should decide whether they want to have an advantage in the early game or the late game. If they choose the +1 range for their longbows, then they should lose the promotion when they upgrade to the gatling gun. If they want a more powerful gatling then they should choose a different promotion for their longbows which will benefit the gatling gun in the late game. This would keep the British from keeping an unfair range advantage in the later game. However, they have the potential for upgrading to better MGs. Besides the Gatling is not a supposed to be a two hex ranged weapon, if they are going to do the range thing add a trench mortar team and have the longbow upgrade to that. Then later the trench mortar can upgrade to mortar. Damn English and their ranged weapons!

 

[aziantuntija]

I belive there isnt a civ wich would be able to hold on to its UU's unique ability after it has been upgraded to something else, and I dont think that England is going to be an exception in this matter.

That said I think they should propably change the longbows ability.

Why? Because England obviously cannot promote the +1 extra range to its longbow unit because it allready has that promotion. England also cannot maintain its UU's unique ability after upgrading because neither cant anyone else, so that wouldnt be fair. If this is the case, then all the other civs actually can upgrade their crosbowman (longbowman) to get the +1 extra range and still maintain that promotion after the upgrade, but England would not be able to do that.

Or they might just remove the extra range promotion from all the units after upgrading to gatling/MG. Anyway, I still belive that England cannot maintain its UU's unique ability after upgrading, because neither cant anyone else.

 

[nokmirt]

I belive there isnt a civ wich would be able to hold on to its UU's unique ability after it has been upgraded to something else, and I dont think that England is going to be an exception in this matter.

That said I think they should propably change the longbows ability.

Why? Because England obviously cannot promote the +1 extra range to its longbow unit because it allready has that promotion. England also cannot maintain its UU's unique ability after upgrading because neither cant anyone else, so that wouldnt be fair. If this is the case, then all the other civs actually can upgrade their crosbowman (longbowman) to get the +1 extra range and still maintain that promotion after the upgrade, but England would not be able to do that.

Or they might just remove the extra range promotion from all the units after upgrading to gatling/MG. Anyway, I still belive that England cannot maintain its UU's unique ability after upgrading, because neither cant anyone else.

Yep, this makes sense I agree. Why give the English such an unfair advantage in more than one era, that makes no sense anyway. The longbow should have its day and then go by the wayside, just like any other UU.

 

[oliver]

Even with an extra spy they still would not be as overpowered as babylon for example

 

[Louis XXIV]

I belive there isnt a civ wich would be able to hold on to its UU's unique ability after it has been upgraded to something else, and I dont think that England is going to be an exception in this matter.

America, Aztecs, Polynesia, Persia, Ottomans, should I go on?

 

[nokmirt]

America, Aztecs, Polynesia, Persia, Ottomans, should I go on?

So you feel that a gatling gun should have the same range as artillery???

 

[aziantuntija]

America, Aztecs, Polynesia, Persia, Ottomans, should I go on?

Really!? So those civs can actually benefit from their UU's unique ability basicly trough out the game but some others cannot? Oh man thats just horrible design.

Oh well, if they arent interested about such a "small" detail then maybe England just should have gatlings and MG's with +1 extra range .

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Really!? So those civs can actually benefit from their UU's unique ability basicly trough out the game but others cannot? Oh man thats just horrible design.

Oh well, if they arent interested about those things then maybe England just should have gatlings and MG's with +1 extra range .

Actually most civs UU's do. the only exceptions I can think of are the mounted archer units.

 

[Louis XXIV]

So you feel that a gatling gun should have the same range as artillery???

For starters, it won't have the same range, it'll have a range of two. I'm also not commenting on what it should be, just that, unless they change the Longbowmen, its ability of +1 range will continue with future units.

For those who want to know. Any unit with a promotion gets to keep it. Things where it's just a stronger unit (example, Hoplite) don't get to keep it. But benefits transfer.

 

[nokmirt]

For starters, it won't have the same range, it'll have a range of two. I'm also not commenting on what it should be, just that, unless they change the Longbowmen, its ability of +1 range will continue with future units.

For those who want to know. Any unit with a promotion gets to keep it. Things where it's just a stronger unit (example, Hoplite) don't get to keep it. But benefits transfer.

Well then I am playing as England.

 

[aziantuntija]

Actually most civs UU's do. the only exceptions I can think of are the mounted archer units.

Well I belive it pretty much depends on the UU's special ability. At least Englands, Romes or Frances UU's abilities doesnt stay after the upgrade.

I obviously dont know what they are going to do with the longbow to MG upgrade, but I am going to say that it is going to be ridiculous if England is getting MG's with longer range. Dont get me wrong since I like playing as England, but thats just maybe why I would hate to have such an loophole of longer range gatlings and MG's in my arsenal.