Current mechanic:
War Damage is a value you have against every other player in the game. In a standard 8-player game, every player should have 7 such values stored in memory (while having only one War Weariness value). It's capped between 0 and 100.War Value is another value based on how much you lose in a war against each player. It's increased when you lose military units, cities, tiles, have your improvements pillaged, have your trade routes pillaged, or have your cities razed.
War Score multiplier (Total War) is applied here, presumably because War Value is a component of War Damage, which is also used to calculate War Score.
War Value still stays after you've made peace. It decays by 2% per turn when you're at war (with the player), and 10% per turn at peace, minimum 1.
War Damage is equal to War Value / (how much all your cities and units are worth), capped between 0 and 100.
You also take 50% of the War Damage you inflict on Player A as your own War Damage, unless you're a human player and Player A is an AI who is unwilling to make peace.
If they have higher cultural influence against you than you against them, your War Damage is increased by a multiplier.
Your tech progress also increases your War Damage by a multiplier.
The Hunnic UA is applied here (if you're at war with them), despite stating War Weariness.
Longest War is the number of turns of your longest ongoing war, minus 10.
Target X = Highest War Damage * Longest War
Target Y is another target value that's initialized as your War Weariness last turn.
If you have made peace with anyone during your last turn, Y is halved.
Otherwise, it's decreased by a random amount, with higher expected value the longer it is from your last peace treaty.
If you've never signed a peace treaty, no decay.
Your Target War Weariness is the higher of X and Y, modified by the Hunnic UA (if you're the Huns) and policies.
It is then capped by 34% of your total population, and some magic formula is used to set your War Weariness to somewhere between last turn's and the target, so it appears to grow/decay gradually.
Problems:
The War Damage and Longest War values can be from different wars. If you stall a war for too long but haven't taken much damage from it, you're punished for it by taking damage in an unrelated war.The Hunnic UA's "inflict more war weariness" is applied on War Damage while "receive less war weariness" is applied on War Weariness. They're different concepts.
The Total War tenet has an unstated effect of increasing enemy War Weariness.
There's no indicator whether making peace with Player A will decrease your War Weariness. If you know the mechanic, you'll know that it will if the war with Player A is the longest war or your highest War Damage is with Player A. But War Damage isn't shown anywhere.
Both War Value and War Weariness have some sort of gradual decay, which complicates the formula in an unintuitive way.
Proposal:
Stop using War Damage to calculate War Weariness. Leave that for War Score calculation only.Make the Hunnic UA (both inflict and receive parts) apply on War Weariness properly, and change the wording to "+100% damage inflicted and -50% damage received during War is counted towards War Weariness".
Otherwise, War Value, War Damage and War Score are calculated the same as it is now.
War Weariness calculation:
From now on, War Weariness is a separate (set of) number(s) from War Weariness Unhappiness (existing field under CvPlayerCulture). The former is per player, same as War Value. It's stored in a new array under CvPlayer.
The reason is to separate Hunnic UA (acting on War Weariness), War Weariness modifiers (acting on the Unhappiness), and Total War (acting on War Score's "accumulate rate").
Any source increasing War Value also increases War Weariness by the same amount, but Total War boosts the former only while the Hunnic UA modifies the latter only.
Also increase War Weariness by half of the amount you inflict on your enemies (also modified by Hunnic UA).
In game, War Weariness still refers to the Unhappiness value and text doesn't need to be changed.
Every turn, War Weariness (against every player) is updated by the following procedure:
- If not at war with this player, halve the value.
- If at war, increase the value by 1% of our current city value + unit value, if peace is an option (10 turns after declaration for normal wars, 15 turns for bribed and co-op wars).
- The value is already obtained in CvPlayer:: DoUpdateWarDamage(); should probably be cached since it's reused multiple times per turn.
- This is also modified by the Hunnic UA modifier.
- This replaces the "Longest War" factor in the current system.
- Any war that lasts 100 turns will inflict 100% War Weariness on both parties regardless of performance, unless your city/unit value grows really fast.
- This value is NOT capped. A cap will be applied when calculating War Weariness Unhappiness.
- [Optional UI sponsor request] Display the value of (War Weariness / (our current city value + unit value) * Policy modifiers) as a percentage alongside Warscore on the leader screen/leader tooltip. (e.g. Warscore: 50, War Weariness: 78%)
Every turn, War Weariness Unhappiness (the War Weariness shown on the UI) is determined by the following procedure:
- Loop through all players and get the highest War Weariness value.
- Ignore the values against players we can't make peace with.
- Ignore the values against AI players if we're human and they haven't offered peace.
- [Optional UI sponsor request] Add an icon to the Civ portrait or some text on the Top Panel supply tooltip so players know who to make peace with to reduce War Weariness.
- Divide this value by our current city value + unit value. This is now a ratio of how much we've lost vs how much we have.
- Apply any War Weariness modifiers (e.g. from Honor) here, and cap the result at 100%.
- Divide the result by 3. This is the supply reduction % (at most 1/3 of max supply can be lost to War Weariness, same as now).
- Multiply this % by our total population. This is the War Weariness Unhappiness.
- No smoothing of the number is needed. Most of the time it'll only have sudden jumps downwards (when you make peace), unless you suffer a lot of damage in one turn, in which case you probably deserve it.
Spoiler Example :
TL;DR:
1. War Weariness Supply Reduction% and Unhappiness% can only go up while you aren't making peace, even if you aren't suffering or dealing any damage. Raw Supply Reduction and Unhappiness can go down if you have a drastic reduction in total population or if you suddenly disband all your units, but that's already the case now.
2. Making peace with irrelevant parties doesn't reduce your War Weariness. Making peace with the relevant party significantly reduces your War Weariness.
3. You still suffer from War Weariness by doing nothing in a war.
4. Hunnic UA, WW reduction from policies and Warscore boost from policies all do different things. Total War shouldn't increase enemy's War Weariness and Hunnic UA shouldn't increase your Warscore.
5. Now scroll back up and read the thing.
Marked as complex for having DLL + UI + text changes. Probably some new Defines values too.
EDIT 1: Also halve War Weariness at the moment of making peace. This has always been intended but I didn't list it out.
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