[DLL] (7-NS) Approval level’s threshold change

[Yngwie]

Problem: Now, even with a Deity total war strategy and 20+ Cities in Renaissance you have approx. 35% Approval. It may drops to 34% for couple of turns, then a small crowd of rebels may appear or a City will “try to left empire”. Anyway it’s not affect you cause the number of rebels is small and City-counter is reset when you on 35% happiness again. -20% Approval doesn’t appear in Game at all.

So it is proposed to change current threshold and modifiers

Current threshold

Spoiler :

Your approval rating is less than 35% - your Empire is in open rebellion! Uprising may occur with rebel (barbarian) units appearing in your territory, and Cities may abandon your Empire and flip to the Civilization that is most culturally influential over your people! Growth is reduced by Y* in all Cities and Settler cost are increased by Y* Combat effectiveness is also reduced by 20%

Your approval rating is less than 20% - your Empire is fracturing! Rebels (barbarians) will spawn more frequently and Cities will rapidly abandon your Empire and flip to the Civilization that is most culturally influential over your people! Growth is reduced by Y* in all Cities and Settler cost are increased by 75% Combat effectiveness is also reduced by 20%

Proposed thresholds

Spoiler :

Your approval rating is less than 40% - your Empire is on the verge of revolt. Uprising may occur with rebel (barbarian) units appearing in your territory. Cities may abandon your Empire and flip to the Civilization that is most culturally influential over your people. Growth is reduced by Y* in all Cities. Combat effectiveness is also reduced by 15%

Your approval rating is less than 35% - your Empire is in a state of open rebellion. Rebels (barbarians) will spawn more frequently. Cities will rapidly abandon your Empire and flip to the Civilization that is most culturally influential over your people! Growth is reduced by Y* in all Cities. Unable to settle new Cities and cannot build settlers. Unhappy Cities are in a constant Resistance. Combat effectiveness is also reduced by 20%

* Y is modifier related to % of approval below 50%

Proposed Y modifier change

Spoiler :

• Current: Growth is reduced by 2,5% in all Cities per 1% of Approval below 50% (-100% Growth is reached on 10% Approval);
  
  Proposed: Growth reduced by 4% in all Cities per 1% of Approval below 50% (-100% Growth is reached on 30% Approval)
  
  
  
• Current: Settlers cost increase by 2,5% per 1% of Approval below 50% ; (75% on 20% Approval and then stop);
  
  Proposed: Remove scaling. Instead block building Settlers on 35% of Approval Rating. Settle action already blocked on this value

Rationale: With current formula it’s almost impossible to drop down to 20% or even 30% of Approval Rating. Therefore the second threshold is not in use. Also the distance between “Open rebellion” and “Fracturing Empire” seems just too long (35% and 20%), thought these terms are close enough. New thresholds are moved closer to each other and can be occasionally reached during Hard Wars or uncontrolled Expanse.

 

[azum4roll]

Why the sudden stop on settler production at 35% and no penalty between 50% and 35%?

 

[Yngwie]

Why the sudden stop on settler production at 35% and no penalty between 50% and 35%?

I don't think that it is needed. I guess nobody wants to expand when the approval rating on around 50%. Increasing cost of settlers for those who nevertheess wants feels a bit counter-logical, cause Settlers actualy reduce your pop rightaway. So they could act as a tool to reduce unhappiness. That's my vision

 

[Stalker0]

As someone who rides tbe rails of 35% happiness in several games…no thanks!

 

[hokath]

My people love me too much to comment on this one.

 

[Recursive]

AI logic in CvPlayerAI would need to be updated in a few places to properly handle this.

 

[azum4roll]

My people love me too much to comment on this one.

Same
What is a 40%?

 

[msw1]

After more than a year of playing, I had no idea there were additional effects for <20% happiness.

 

[azum4roll]

It's pretty much impossible to reach, unless all of your cities enter revolution at the same time.

 

[Heinz_Guderian]

I think 40 and 35 looks too close to eachother, 40 and 30 looks better in my eyes. The really bad consequences should be hard to reach, but not impossible as it is now

 

[azum4roll]

50% happiness = 1 /
40% happiness = 1.25 /
35% happiness = 1.43 /
30% happiness = 1.67 /
20% happiness = 2.5 / , aka impossible since is soft capped by population

Why this is inverted (instead of / ) : when you get unhappy, it's your rising, not your falling. is more controlled than .

The difference between 50% and 40% is more similar to the difference between 40% and 35%.

 

[Recursive]

Timestamp post to arrange all the threads in a neat order.