On the France proposal of
This is an augmented form of
So first the SPAD should require Oil. Very much agree.
Current:
available at Flight
800
Production Cost
no
Unit Supply
Does not Require Oil
46 (+1)
RCS, 6 attack range, 7 Intercept Range
"Air Logistics" (can attack twice per turn)
Then the Salon.
There's two small issues here for me.
1) It is a Museum at Architecture, two tiers earlier. Its text says it allows you to build Archaeologists.
A player might think this means they can build Archaeologists after they have a Salon, but Archaeologists are still Tech unlocked in the same place.
(Obviously you can't change the Archaeologist unlock, or France could beeline Architecture and gobble up all the Artifacts. This would not be fun to play again.)
The Gallery is already a culture building on Architecture. So I think it makes a lot more sense just to replace the Gallery (a building that didn't exist when 4UC was made).
2) It used to have interesting effects for its different themings that made the building quite fun. The new, proposed version is more passive, merely rewarding you for theming in the City. Since this is a Museum replacement, it doesn't actually change the number of possible themings either.
For interest, here is the text and then the list of themings. They all grant 6 Culture/Tourism (plus the building's bonus yields for being themed, which is also larger than Museum by 1) which is comparable to the Museum's 5 or 6.
(At some point I am going to go through all the Culture buildings and actually list the theming bonuses in their Strategy text because it's a bit weird you can't otherwise find it.)
To address these points I would suggest the following.
(note the Gallery base requires some changes: cost was off by 50 and Gallery seems to have no maintenance -- as well as Opera and Amphitheatre)
UB - Salon (replaces Gallery):
available at Architecture
600 Production Cost
0
Gold Maintenance
+3
Science, +5 (from +2) 
Culture, and +3
Tourism
Great Works gain +1Tourism
+33% Great Artist Rate
+3Science and +10%
Great Person Generation for each active Theming Bonus in the City.
2 slots for Art/Artifact
+5 when themed
The following possible themes (all Must be Art)
+2/+2 for both French
+4/+4 for same Era and French
+4/+4 for both same Foreign Civ
+8/+8 for both same Foreign Civ and same Era
So this way you have +1 Theme in the City possible. This part is a buff, but it's not trivial to fill since just 2 piece of random Art don't get you anything. However you can put in some work to beef-up the bonus with trading and micromanaging your Artist births. These first three bonuses are smaller than before as we're no longer using up Museum slots (and +6/+6 with 9 different ways of getting it was pretty bonkers on top of the other bonuses). However, the biggest bonus is larger than before, but difficult to trade for. However there is a way to get hold of someone else's matching artwork...
Overall though I think this should be a nerf to France. The population scaling benefits of the Museum are also pushed back, and before you could build a Salon and a Galley on the same tech, which was another +1 Tourism to Great Works.
(8-16) 4UC France
This is a thread for discussing the addition of 2 more unique components to the French civilization. Note, the most recent congress added an extra :tourism: to all cities per 10 military units on the UA
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This is an augmented form of
(8-16a) 4UC France Alternative
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/8-16-4uc-france.690028/ Current: available at Flight 800 :c5production: Production Cost no :c5war:Unit Supply Does not Require Oil 45 :c5rangedstrength: RCS, 6 :c5rangedstrength: attack range, 7 Intercept Range "Air Logistics" (can attack twice per turn)...
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So first the SPAD should require Oil. Very much agree.
Current:
available at Flight
800
Production Costno
Unit Supply46 (+1)
RCS, 6 attack range, 7 Intercept Range"Air Logistics" (can attack twice per turn)
Then the Salon.
There's two small issues here for me.
1) It is a Museum at Architecture, two tiers earlier. Its text says it allows you to build Archaeologists.
A player might think this means they can build Archaeologists after they have a Salon, but Archaeologists are still Tech unlocked in the same place.
(Obviously you can't change the Archaeologist unlock, or France could beeline Architecture and gobble up all the Artifacts. This would not be fun to play again.)
The Gallery is already a culture building on Architecture. So I think it makes a lot more sense just to replace the Gallery (a building that didn't exist when 4UC was made).
2) It used to have interesting effects for its different themings that made the building quite fun. The new, proposed version is more passive, merely rewarding you for theming in the City. Since this is a Museum replacement, it doesn't actually change the number of possible themings either.
For interest, here is the text and then the list of themings. They all grant 6 Culture/Tourism (plus the building's bonus yields for being themed, which is also larger than Museum by 1) which is comparable to the Museum's 5 or 6.
(At some point I am going to go through all the Culture buildings and actually list the theming bonuses in their Strategy text because it's a bit weird you can't otherwise find it.)
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unhappiness from BoredomTo address these points I would suggest the following.
(note the Gallery base requires some changes: cost was off by 50 and Gallery seems to have no maintenance -- as well as Opera and Amphitheatre)
UB - Salon (replaces Gallery):
available at Architecture
600
Production Cost0
Gold Maintenance+3
Science, +5 (from +2) Culture, and +3TourismGreat Works gain +1Tourism+33% Great Artist Rate
+3
Science and +10%Great Person Generation for each active Theming Bonus in the City.2 slots for Art/Artifact
+5
when themedThe following possible themes (all Must be Art)
+2/+2 for both French
+4/+4 for same Era and French
+4/+4 for both same Foreign Civ
+8/+8 for both same Foreign Civ and same Era
So this way you have +1 Theme in the City possible. This part is a buff, but it's not trivial to fill since just 2 piece of random Art don't get you anything. However you can put in some work to beef-up the bonus with trading and micromanaging your Artist births. These first three bonuses are smaller than before as we're no longer using up Museum slots (and +6/+6 with 9 different ways of getting it was pretty bonkers on top of the other bonuses). However, the biggest bonus is larger than before, but difficult to trade for. However there is a way to get hold of someone else's matching artwork...
Overall though I think this should be a nerf to France. The population scaling benefits of the Museum are also pushed back, and before you could build a Salon and a Galley on the same tech, which was another +1 Tourism to Great Works.
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