A direct word to Atari/Firaxis on the Byzantine empire

Did't the Americans rely on the rifleman to win against Britain? Yet they have the F-15 as a UU.

The developers don't just put units that they think helped a civilization. Most of the time they did. Like I said, there HAS to be some kind of balance.
 
I fail to see how giving a UU like the F-15 would balence out the Roman legionary, or any other- the way the game works civs ARENT supposed to balenced all the time- if you want balence, then go to Civ2.

as i wrote this it came to me that they might think that the Byzantine golden age was during the devcelopment of the "dromon", and while I'm not sure of that, scholars agree that the Byzantine "rennisance", and golden age was around the time of baill II, "the bulgar slayer", who put his cataphracts to good use by recpturing lost territory in....you guessed it! Bulgaria!
 
Strange you should say that. :lol:

Ah, never mind. hehehe. :)

Anyway, I would like to see more diverse UUs, Xen, not just the old, old, ones - knights and stuff like that.

You write your responses like you almost HATE the dromon. And like you absolutely don't agree on it. It will still probably be a good unit, Xen. :)
 
to be honest...
...I do hate it, and I absolutley dont agree on it, it strikes me as ignorant that it would have even been seriousley considerd as the Byzantine UU, let alone implimented...
 
I think that the unit you like to be in would also be good...but again, the dromon is in and I don't think that it will be changed for you. :( But again, I think that it is a good choice as well. :)

You know, I was actually in Bulgaria for some time and I lived in a little city in the mountains and there was one huge fort from the Turks (when they invaded Bulgaria) and one from the Romans/Byzantines when they got land back. The best part is that the forts are located on cliffs such as the ones on mount Rushmore. When you go on the very top you can see fore miles. The Byzantine fort is very small but is also very high up...very cool place. :)
 
If I were to give up on this topic, i would no longer be myself...

though I wish to go vistit places such as that you describe one day...

To be honest about it... i have a feeling that a cataphract like unit may already be in the game, if there trully is a "Fall of Rome" scen like I have herd, I just want that cataphract to the Byzantine UU...
 
Ok, so they used the famous unit rather than the "historically accurate" one. Just like they used ragtag bands of ocean-crossing adventurers rather than the dreaded elite military of a nation for spain. (UU *should* be the tercio, not the conquistador, but the conquistador have more of a lasting fame these days, as does the greek fire, now matter how much history buff would like to think otherwise.

So in summation

-Firaxis won't put a unit that owe ALL its fame to historicla myth (Elephant).

-Firaxis is also apparently trying to swing wide of other games' choice of UU (namely Microsue's Age of series - hence not picking the little known cataphract ; the relatively not that known turtle ship and so on).

-Firaxis is finally trying to pick units that, while they do have some slight historicay justification (hence no elephants), are also easy to recognize as something meaningful for the players when possible.

-For a last note, look at the other knights replacement. They are all something basically VERY different from the knight. The Keshik and Ansar warrior are light cavalry type fellow. The Rider is a mounted archer. The Elephant uses a completely different (and much larger) type of mount that require a completely different strategy. And the samurai is not even mounted. They all have something that completely differentiate them from knight.

Comparatively, while Cataphracts were brilliant units, they were essentially just another form of heavily armored horsemen - which is to say, essentially, what the knight unit represent!

Frankly, considering how many good historically important civilizations didn'T even make the cut for the game, I think your attitude is more than a little of a "spoiled brat" behavior. BOTH of your favorite civs are in (Rome, Byzantine) whereas many of us have to deal with only one or none of them (I want Mali/Ghana/Songhai - one of them, not all three since they basically were much the same).
 
I may be a spopiled brat- but that wont stop me crying havoc, and trying to right this wrong!
 
if england has to put up with a naval UU, then y should Byzantium be any different
 
because Briaian actually has a reason for having a naval UU, Byzantium dosent, other then its uniqueness, which is a poor reason in all respects
 
still a reason tho, which is good enough for me
 
good, I'm glad your pleased so easilly, but I, and I'm sure many others with knowledge of history are not, or at least hold preferance for the cataphract over any boat, anyday, and those are whom I represent
 
that hardley a solution as asking never garuntees anything, and with th ecurrent streak of luck, UU #2 would be Varangian guards, another pitaful UU choice for Byzantium, not to mention its not somthing I support- it would be fine if we had it, but I dont see it as needed, as UUs' are supposed to represent the most used, and most important component of a civilizations army, a position which only one type of troop may hold
 
who said i was pleased, just your not going to change their mind by rambling about god knows what. i do know about history but its only a game
 
a game BASED ON HISTORY, that means they need to do there best to portray the civs accuratley, somthing which they havent been doing in several areas, not least amoung them being UU choice
 
if you really want historical accurancy, then civs would start in differnt times rather then the exact same time, didnt that seem a bit odd for a historical game
 
it dose, and I would like that changed as well (though not as much as just getting the civs accurate, at the very least making the upcoming ones accuarte...), but this thread isnt about that, its about the Byzantine UU
 
i knew there was greek fire but i thought more people knew of cataphract cause to me it seems to be there uu in more of my strategy games.
 
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