A Successful Gallipoli Campaign

[Ozz]

Originally posted by History_Buff
There is no way the Russians could have lost to Finalnd. The Finns had no way to keep fighteing once they got beyond Petersburg, as all thier tropps were alpine, and the summers would have crushed their mobility, and they would have mowed down by ruusians troops.

Why would they go to Leningrad? (Peterburg now). Might as
well stick their heads in a sauage grinder. They didn't
want it. They wanted the Karelain Pennisula (hope the spelling
right). And with good equipment and supplies they would have
got it, Held the Mannerheim Line and laid Leningrad to waste
with artillery.

Victory For The Finns was surviving long enough for the russians
to want peace. And in very large measure they achieved this

They Russians lost twice to the Finns, when Finland became
indepantant again after WW1. And when they failed in their
first WW2 invasion.

They were'nt called the Sparta of the north for nothing.

 

[Ozz]

Originally posted by Hamlet


Are you on crack?

Anyway, regarding the question at hand. I don't know a terrible lot about military history.

No I'm not, do you always insult other people's opinions then
go on to explain you don't have a clue about that they are talking
about.

 

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by Ozz
No I'm not, do you always insult other people's opinions

I was not insulting your opinion. I was merely poking fun at what you had written as partial-fact, which was patently absurd, and generally nonsensical:

Originally posted by Ozz
Chruchill would have not been disgraced, and served in the
trenches in France.

Excuse me? there is absolutely no way that Churchill, as Head of The Admiralty would have been anywhere near the trenches.

Originally posted by Ozz
and would have kicked germany's ass
as soon as they occupied the Rhineland.

Errr, the Rhineland is a part of Germany. How could Germany have occupied it, since it was (still is) it's own territory?

Now either restructure what you said so that it makes some sense, or recant it fully.

Originally posted by Ozz
then go on to explain you don't have a clue about that they are talking about.

That wasn't what I said. I simply stated that military history is not my strongest area.

You however, clearly don't have a clue as to what you're talking about. It was in fact, such utter jumbled rubbish, it lead me to issue the 'crack' remark.

 

[Simon Darkshade]

In regards to the Rhineland issue, it was declared a non-militarised zone under the Versailles Treaty, and the reoccupation of it was the first major act of Nazi Germany in terms of "expansion". Hitler was concerned at the potential Allied reaction, which, if direct, could have put a real spanner in his works. This is what Ozz was trying to emphasise, I believe

 

[Ozz]

Absolutely Right Darkshade! France alone at that time could
have stepped in, and it would have been the end of Hilter.
(Dictators usually are challenged/toppled after a blunder).

Now a bit of history for my fact challenged friend Hamlet.

1. Chruchill was Lord of the admirally for the first part
of WW1.

2. After Gallipoli, Chruchill was disgraced. He resigned from
office and as an Major in the Oxfordshire Yeomanry WENT
AND SERVED in the front lines in France. (Laventie, France
later as a Colonel at Ploegsteert)

3. It was by this courageous service at the front that his
ruined public reputation was restored. Even his worse
enemies found it hard to ridicule him while he was away
at the front. (and they safe in England)

And now I'll repeat what I said before

do you always insult other people's opinions then
go on to explain you don't have a clue about that
they are talking about.

 

[Simon Darkshade]

Game, set and match with the final ace!

I was going to add the bit about his time in the trenches before becoming Minister of Munitions in 1917, but, to switch from tennis to volleyball, I decided to set you up for the resounding spike.

And don't worry about our Hamlet; he's just a long haired communist who can't understand the BNP.

 

[Ozz]

Originally posted by Simon Darkshade
Game, set and match with the final ace!

I was going to add the bit about his time in the trenches before becoming Minister of Munitions in 1917, but, to switch from tennis to volleyball, I decided to set you up for the resounding spike.

And don't worry about our Hamlet; he's just a long haired communist who can't understand the BNP.

Thanks for leaving me the Coupe de Grace'
(hope i got the accent right)

I hope he learned more than a little history.

It is a funny thing i have noticed though, some people
really react in some strange ways whenever "Churchill"
is mentioned, like a red flag to a bull, they just charge.

 

[donsig]

The first thing that occured to me was the Churchill angle. These posts point out though that avoiding disaster in the Dardenelles was not all that was required to make Winston the Great Statesman. If the allies had subsequently gotten mired in the Balkans - and Churchill got the blame - then he would still have been ousted from the admiralty, etc. (Still to make his great comeback in WW II!)

These posts also rightly reflect that the big changes might well have been in Russia. Interesting posts indeed!

 

[Ozz]

Chruchill may yet have stepped in it. Encouraged by a success
at the straits. He may have gotten his way on some of his
other imaginative plans. (siezing islands off germany using
bulletproof lighters, ie landing craft). A failure on any of
these could have disgraced him too.

I think his disgrace saved him , it kept him from being in
the governments between the wars.

Chruchill was the luckiest man ever born, even the worse
disasters that ever befell him in the end proved saving
graces.

 

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by Ozz
do you always insult other people's opinions then
go on to explain you don't have a clue about that
they are talking about.

Just when I'm being a pig-headed arrogant sod.

 

[Ozz]

Originally posted by Simon Darkshade
And don't worry about our Hamlet; he's just a long haired communist who can't understand the BNP.

No, He is a long haired communist with class

 

[Hamlet]

I AM NOT A BLOODY COMMUNIST. I CAN'T STAND COMMIES. TAKE A LOOK AT THE COMMUNISM THREAD.

ME = SOCIAL DEMOCRAT.

Jeez, and people go on about nutters from the left branding everyone they don't like a 'fascist'.

Also, Darkshade accidentally threw his weight behind a bunch of people who were thugs, without realising it, and has had to defend them since then for fear of having to admit that he was wrong about them.

But enough of that.

 

[Ozz]

Sorry Hamlet, Just tryin' to be funny and extend a olive
branch. Didn't work quite as I planned.

 

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by Ozz
Sorry Hamlet, Just tryin' to be funny and extend a olive
branch. Didn't work quite as I planned.

/me huggles Ozz and throws him sweeties.

 

[TrailblazingScot]

One of the major reasons for the Gallipoli Offensive was to divert Turkish force from the Russians who were hard-pressed in Armenia.

If fully successful and it took Istanbul quickly the one significant center of arms production in the Ottoman Empire would have been knocked out.

I believe that had the British Admiralty had more balls (irstead of fretting that HMS Queen Mary would be sunk) they could have sailed through to Istanbul and not required the backup plan which was the ground assault on the Gallipoli peninsula.