Aanor's Huge Map of Europe Mod

Originally posted by xrang the II
oh, before I make the UU list, what do you think about Poland getting the Cossack and Russia getting the Mig-27 (whatever) to replace the American F-15?

The Cossack is wholly Russian. A historical UU would be the Husaria, a description of which can be found here. The description of the Husaria is totally cool, and it would make a fantastic looking UU. Like the Cossack, it looks like the Husaria would replace Cavalry.

Why would you saddle the Russians with a pathetic UU, like the Americans have? Why not just leave them with the Cossack?
 
sorry, dude, Shaitan said to give Poland the Cossack...I'm checking your link btw
 
Berzerkers are a very nice unit (you saw what they can do in our Brit Isles succession game ;)).

Sorry about the cossack mix up. I thought they were a Polish unit that Firaxis gave to the wrong folk.
 
No worries, Shaitan, I too thought the same thing. I'm still doing research...the UU list will be updated tonight. Shaitan, what do you think about Denmark? Should I rename the Turks the Byzantines ? And, oh yeah, I think we've finally come to an agreement on te civs...
 
Denmark is great. A major European power until just a short time ago. Vikings in longboats, gotta love it. It will be a toss up on what civ abilities to use for them. Definitely militaristic. Very expansionistic. Thoroughly commercial. Pick any 2.

I think Ottoman would be better than Byzantine.
 
Ottoman is A LOT better. I think the berzerker would be historically accurate, don't you. Or maybe the Longboat...
 
Berzerker is very historically accurate. Stormerne gave me an excellent brief on them that I used to develop the berzerks in Brit Isles. Here it is:

Berserk (or Berserker)! They were the warriors in old
Scandinavian literature who distinguished themselves in battle by their
'berserk-fury' during which they roared madly, bit their shields and
became invulnerable. During these bouts of fury they were stronger than
bears or bulls. They would kill many men but were themselves unharmed by
fire or iron and they would be impervious to pain. In one legend a
berserk could allegedly blunt an opponent's sword's edge just by looking
at it.

In literature berserks are stereotyped in two ways. They are the elite
troops, often in groups of twelve, who serve famous kings. On the other
hand they are wandering troublemakers, alone or in twos and threes, who
challenge farmers of their own peoples to single combat duels to demand
wives and daughters, and they are then only beaten by a hero.

The name berserk comes from 'ber' = bear and 'serkr' = shirt or skin.
(Do NOT use the name 'Marauder'. That word is probably of French
descent!) A bearskin was all they wore in battle. They wore no armour
but they used conventional weapons like swords and shields. One of the
famous Isle of Lewis chessmen is shown biting his shield.

The berserk rage is an example of 'wod-ness' or furious madness, and is
obviously the source of the modern phrase 'to go berserk'. It comes from
their dedication to their god Woden (wod-en or furious), known as Odin
in Scandinavia, and the trance-like states they achieved.

Woden/Odin is part of the family of heathen gods and goddesses which
include Thor and Freya, and so Polytheism must be an advance
prerequisite for this unit. It can lapse when that civ discovers
monotheism or is subject to Christianity in some way.

Berserks should have high attack and defence and high hit points, but
they should be expensive to build, and especially be very expensive to
maintain since they are a liability to their own forces and populace
unless they have a battle to go to.
 
1.Rome - Praetorians: faster spearman
2.England - Yeomen: stronger longbowman
3.Germany - Landsknecht: faster swordsman or stronger knight who doesn't demands horses
4.France - Dragoon: faster cavalry
5.Egypt - Bedouin: stronger horseman
6.Morroco - Berber: faster horseman
7.Spain - Conquistador: faster and stronger musketman whon needs horses
8.Poland - Hussar: stronger cavalry
9.Austria (Hungary) - Imperial Guard: rilfleman with better defense
10.Greece - Trirema: faster galley
11.Russia - Strelez: musketman with better defense
12.Sweden - Vasa Revolutionary: musketman with worse defense but much better speed and possibility to walk everywhere as on roads
13.Finland - Moutnain Trooper - faster infantry with possibillity to walk everywhere as on the roads.
14.Turkey - Jannisary - musketman with better defense
15.Babylon - Bowman - as usually...
16.Ukraine - Cossack - as usually...
 
I've edited the first post so check there...I'm looking for a website that has some information on the Bulgarian military. And, oh yeah, do you think that Turkey should get cheaper cannon or Janissary (it was in ::gasp:: Age of Empires II...)?
 
Originally posted by Shaitan
13.Finland - Moutnain Trooper - faster infantry with possibillity to walk everywhere as on the roads.

Why you think Finland should have a UU called a mountain trooper? There aren't many mountains in Finland. Only a few taller mountains in the northwestern corner and some hills in the northeast.

It is true that Finland wasn't a a powerful nation. Actually the civilized middle-Europe and the muslims in the south thought that Finlandia was just filled with unexplored forests and pagan savages. But there were a couple of cities in southern Finland, Turku was the biggest & the most important one.

Anyway, I agree that infantry should be the UU for the Finns if they are included. In the WWII (or was it WWI?) Finland sent men to Germany to be trained into soldiers there. These were the best soldiers of Finland when they returned from Germany and they were of great use defending the borders from the Russians.

I would call the Finnish UU Light Infantrymen and give them +1 def. and maybe 'treat every terrain as roads'.
 
Everyone, Finland isn't even a part of the civilization list so you can stop talking about the UUs...what about the ones I've made in the original post?
 
Shaitan

I love the idea of the swedish UU being Vasa Revolutionaries. I Haven't really thought about that one before, but it's really good. I've been looking forward to play as sweden for some time now. I know asimepornstar made a mod in the complete modpacks section, but that the UU was a light artillery and that don't work very well since artillery can't win battles, so you have to build a specific wonder to trigger your GA.

For that reason, you should probably try to avoid giving the turks a cannon as a UU since it will mess a little with your GA timing.

Really looking forward to the mod
 
Lord_Vetinari has a good point. A lot of these civs are already well researched and presented in separate mods. Take a look at what's out there that will fit. (Just remember to keep track of where you get it so you can credit the right people).
 
So Janissary is better?:confused:
 
Originally posted by xrang the II
So Janissary is better?:confused:

Yes, the Janissary would be better, but then you have to decide what kind of unit you are going to make it. Janissaries were combined-arms formations, not one specific type of unit. Also, the Janissaries have a history almost 500 years long, so you can base them on anything from pikemen to riflemen, including knights and cavalry.
 
I've found a Bulgarian UU that maybe worth it...

Druzhinas
The Slavs began to infiltrate the Balkans around 500. They came in small groups first to raid and later to settle in fortified earthworks called grads (eg. modern Belgrade). Each clan was lead by a Zupan. These were grouped into tribes with chieftains called Voivodes or Grand Zupan. Early Slav armies consisted almost entirely of javelin armed infantry with some archers and other ill-armed peasants. As they became more settled the chieftains developed a small retinue of cavalry called Druzhinas. Militarily they were most effective in broken terrain and when allied with Bulgars or Avars who provided a strong cavalry element. Despite reverses such as Sardica (Sofia) in 550 they occupied most of the Balkans by the end of the century.

I can't find anymore information on this...btw, I'm on the hunt for leader heads.



:sniper:
 
HOLY MOLY!! I didn't realize that it would be so hard to find leader heads! I'm still searching...The WILL be up as soon as possible.:)
 
I don't know if y'all have seen this or not, but in the Unit Graphics forum I found a preview post of a Janissary unit by SpincruS. I don't know if it's what you had in mind or not, but it does look like a good effort.
 
:mad: I read your post and thought: hey, that seems great: a Europe mod !

But then I read about the countries you intend to include and I noticed mine wasn't in it even though we had a noticeable influence on the worlds history !!

The country I'm talking about is Holland, or nowadays the Netherlands, you know: that little country by the North Sea that we, with our bare hands, raised from the water...

The country that founded the first international trading company the 'Vereenigde Oost-Indische Compagnie', or United East-India Company in 1602, who liberated themselves from Spanish opressors and French invaders, who fought against the English and managed to keep them off for a long time. The country that feels deeply for the loss of life in New York after the 11th of September because we founded that city...

But more recently: the only country in the world with gay-marriages, the best welfare system known to mankind, etc., etc., etc.

I can go on for hours, but I just thought that Holland offered so much more to the history of this planet than a country such as Sweden, wich lacked colonies and called upon our help once to settle a dispute between its government and the Danish government. Carthage ?? I'm not even going to speak about that...

Plus: the Netherlands already have a fully functional mod out there that you can find right here:
http://www.netrexgp.nl/civ3/


Please change your mind...
 
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