About a local variation of Rock-Paper-Scissors (and why it is of interest)

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As we all know, Rock-Paper-Scissors is a game where each option defeats one other option and loses to one other option. This has the important effect that regardless of what you choose, you don't have an advantage before the game starts (you will win if you chose -eg- rock and the other player chose scissors, and lose to paper if you have chosen rock).
That said, due to a linguistic ambiguity (how the game's terms translate to Greek), in some areas (including, luckily, my old neighborhood) the game got a fourth option. It was "glue", because "paper" got translated as "sheet of paper", and the greek term for "sheet" is homophonic to the greek term for glue: κόλα and κόλλα respectively.

So this variation of the game has four options, but as can easily be seen it leads to imbalance, because you cannot have equal number of win/lose if the remaining options (you choose 1 of 4, 3 remain) aren't perfectly divisible by two. So you end up with one of the options winning against more enemy options.

To be more illustrative:

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Now, as far as I recall, since the children weren't aware of either having thus made up a new option, nor that the dynamic changed, the option Glue defeated the objects one would realistically expect it to. It defeated two (paper, for it folded it, and scissors, because it glued together the dangerous edges) and lost to the rock (it got crushed). But do notice that Rock also becomes more powerful than the other old options, cause it has two options to defeat. In fact Rock becomes the most powerful option, since it also defeats Glue, the other powerful one.

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While one could choose to play as Rock (or Glue) and still lose, the possibility of a win would be higher. But then something important happens: people start to notice the difference in dynamic, which causes them to be more weary of choosing Rock, and even wearier of choosing Glue. So by the end Glue is almost never chosen, while Rock reverts to being a regular option which risks defeat by paper, that in time becomes more popular. Scissors, on the other end, in time became the least popular option to choose, for reasons we can gather from the above summation... (while it defeats the popular Paper, it will lose to everything else and starts as less popular than the other 'lose to everything else' option: Paper).

I think it is interesting, cause it goes to show that what nominally is the best option, may become unpopular if enough calculation takes place, which calculation takes into account not which option had the biggest probability of winning but which option defeats that option.
Perhaps of more practical interest is that such dynamic elements can be used (eg in a formal logic system) to push problematic (here symbolized by "overpowered") elements out of the way, while still making use of the dynamic of the default (pre-altered) system.

This is because the nature of the altered game now has an option which would never be chosen if all players were aware that it is always worse than another one (glue is an improved version of scissors), but due to arrival of new players it can happen that while the aversion of veterans of the 4-choice for choosing rock will be picked up, the same won't hold true for noticing that glue is an improved scissors. Then it will be picked up, leading to 4-choice reverting to 3, which again will become 4 with yet newer players.
 
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Pretty curious that I got replies on this at LessWrong and Reddit, but not here.
I guess here people just knew it can't lead to any good, so didn't bother :P
 
Sometimes thread ideas float like a rock.

Sometimes they just don’t make the cut.

Sometimes a post just won’t stick.

Spoiler :
Paper is the weakest choice for a joke. I got nothing.
 
As compensation, I have made a table that I believe accurately reflects the glue addition.

I found the diagram you posted to be a bit hard to read with the colored arrows pointed at each other.

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I had a theory about this, but then it just escaped my mind immediately after I checked the table (and noticed it says "v. Rock" where I had ample space to say "vs.")

If it comes back to me, I'll get back to you.
 
I hate people who use glue (or our German equivalent of glue, which for some reason was.. well. do not ask me why. the stone falls into the well, as do the scissors..). 'F them. It upsets the beautiful balance and entirely ruins the game.

JAN

KEN

PON!
 
I hate people who use glue (or our German equivalent of glue, which for some reason was.. well. do not ask me why. the stone falls into the well, as do the scissors..). 'F them. It upsets the beautiful balance and entirely ruins the game.

JAN

KEN

PON!

It doesn't really change anything, as long as people are aware of the new state of things, cause then "scissors" just gets cancelled (is weaker than "glue", so no use picking it). But exactly because not all people were aware, the game for a while could have four options and thus have a dynamic partly based on lack of calculation (while there is no calculation to make with just the three; they are equal in power).
 
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I hate people who use glue (or our German equivalent of glue, which for some reason was.. well. do not ask me why. the stone falls into the well, as do the scissors..). 'F them. It upsets the beautiful balance and entirely ruins the game.

JAN

KEN

PON!
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