Academy ... Confucian Academy

[LlamaCat]

This one's got me stumped, just when I thought I knew all the ins and outs

I was going for a cultural victory as Gandhi. I converted to Confucianism and built the required number of temples (9) so I could build Confucian Academies in three of my cities. Then later on in the game, it seemed that the academy's cultural bonus was suddenly gone, and it said I only had 9 of 12 temples.

Why did the game raise the minimum for temples? I noticed in the Civilopedia that the description for Confucian Academies said it requires 9 temples (then later it changed to 12 temples). But for the other religions' academy buildings, it did not say anything about required temples?

Now I know this has something to do with the fact that I was converted to Confucianism, but I switched out to free religion and it still said the same thing.

I had thought you only needed 9 cities with the required minimum 9 temples to get these academy buildings going, but it's very frustrating that the game took that cultural bonus away and now I need three more cities with temples?

 

[Norton II]

What size map are you playing on? If it's a huge map, you need 4 temples per cathedral. I can't explain why the cultural bonus would go away, though; can you post a screenshot?

 

[LightSpectra]

You need more temples for every additional academy you build.

You lose the bonus because you switched to free religion and thus lost your state religion.

 

[Norton II]

Switching to FR wouldn't affect the cultural bonus--it'd only take away the 2 additional happy faces.

 

[LlamaCat]

ok so I think what you're saying is that if I want to build an academy in my 2nd cultural city, the minimum for temples goes up from the original amount? that kind of sucks I guess.

 

[Norton II]

Not sure what you mean. The minimum is always 2 temples per cathedral on duel, tiny, and small maps, 3 on standard and large, and 4 on huge. I'm still not sure what's causing the other stuff you posted; a save would be helpful.

 

[Welnic]

Before you build your first academy it will say you have 0/3 temples built, then 1/3, 2/3, and then with 3/3 it will let you build one. Then it will say that you have 3/6 as far as building the next one. That will progress to 4/5, 5/6 and then 6/6. So if it says 9/12 that should mean that you have built 3 already.

I'm not sure what it says if you have 9 temples and haven't built any academies yet. I do seem to remember that if you haven't built any and you have enough temples to build 3 then you can't start them all on the same turn. You start one, then it is grayed out for the rest of the cities, then on some later turn you can start another one. I'm sort of hazy about that, though.

They don't ever contribute culture, they just multiply it. You won't see little culture icons next to the building, it will just show up as a percentage multiplied by buildings when you look at the culture produced by the city.

 

[obsolete]

If you're using free religion, you probably shouldn't be bothering with those academy's in the first place. That combo really doesn't go well and actually counters itself.

 

[pigswill]

Assuming that you were playing standard map size the most likely explanatiom imho is that you hit a glitch. (Did you save somewhere in between?)

 

[LlamaCat]

basically what happened is this: I built 3 temples in my cities, then built an academy in one of my main cultural cities, for the 50% bonus. I could see that the 50% cultural bonus was being applied by this building when I mouse over the cultural information in the city screen. I know this was from the academy, I'm positive.

But then many turns later in the game, I noticed that 50% cultural bonus was gone! So the cultural output of that particular city, with the academy, was lower. Now, I STILL had Confucianism as my state religion. I had not LOST any of my previously built temples, and that single academy in my capital was still there, giving me the +2 happy for being Confucian. But, that 50% cultural bonus was NOT being applied anymore. And that's when I noticed it said "requires X of X temples" in red wording, in the city screen when you mouse over the Academy in the city list on the left side. It also said the same thing (requires x of x temples) in the Civilopedia description of Confucian Academy, within that particular game. (Side note: I didn't know the Civilopedia tracks your current game if you open it within the game! Because if you go into the Civilopedia from the main menu, it won't show requirements for your current state religious buildings.)

I really think this must be a bug or something about that cultural bonus requires you to keep building more temples? I understand the point about building more academies in other cities, in that I would need to build more temples to get those 2nd and 3rd academies. But the problem is that the cultural bonus from my first and only academy should never go away once it's built, is that right?

 

[LlamaCat]

You lose the bonus because you switched to free religion and thus lost your state religion.

I only switched to FR to test the game and see what the problem was, but that wasn't it. In fact I made a point to stay in my state religion this entire game because I was going for a cultural victory. To my thinking, that meant I wanted to get Confucian Academies built in my three top cities. I also wanted to build cathedrals for another religion in these cities for an additional 50% bonus, because I think you get the bonus even if are not in a state religion.

To me this was supposed to be a key strategy to get cultural win, to get as many of these cathedral buildings for each religion built in the 3 cities.

 

[LlamaCat]

Assuming that you were playing standard map size the most likely explanatiom imho is that you hit a glitch. (Did you save somewhere in between?)

I don't have any saves with me at the moment, and I think this was a standard size map. I lost anyway... Monty and Stalin . .. .. .. .. .-slapped me into oblivion because I neglected my military

It was a very puzzling thing with these buildings... I'm trying another cultural game as Elizabeth this time, going better because I've got my own continent (although no stone or marble so wonders are hard to come by). I am just getting to the point where I am trying to build academies again in my three cities, so we'll see what happens.

 

[PMabey]

You need 2,3 or 4 Temples per cathedral (the number depens on map size) Assuming you're playing on a large or standard map you need 9 confucian temples to build a confucian academy in each of your three cities. On the city screen it shows the list of buildings:
Library +2
Temple +1 +1
Confucian Academy
etc
It does not show multipliers (e.g cathedral, library, bank)
To view the effects of your cathedral mouse over the Culture per turn bar. it will say +50% for buildings.
If it doesnt then something is wrong and i dont have a clue wots goin on.

Oh one more thing this is a key part of a culture victory strategy, but dont stop with one religion, build 9 christian temples, 9 islamic temples as well. You want as many cathedrals as possible in your 3 legendary cities.

 

[PMabey]

If you're using free religion, you probably shouldn't be bothering with those academy's in the first place. That combo really doesn't go well and actually counters itself.

errr no. especially not if u wanna culture win. Turns out your advice, aswell as your name is "obsolete"

only jokin.

 

[DaveMcW]

Are you sure it's a Confucian Academy, and not a Great Scientist Academy?

 

[LlamaCat]

yes it's a Confucian Academy, not the scientific academy that you get from a great scientist. And yes, I am talking about when I scroll over the culture bar at the bottom left of the city screen. I'm telling you, the 50% bonus was there, then later on it was gone. That really must be a bug. The cultural bonus should not go away ever, once the academy is built. Does anyone know what conditions would make it go away after having already been there?

 

[LlamaCat]

Oh one more thing this is a key part of a culture victory strategy, but dont stop with one religion, build 9 christian temples, 9 islamic temples as well. You want as many cathedrals as possible in your 3 legendary cities.

Exactly right! That's what I want to do... but once I get the cathedrals built, I don't want that cultural bonus taken away from me because the minimum # of temples is later adjusted and raised for some reason. I worry that is what happened in my game, and I really don't think that should happen. That would be too punative and really discourage you from building those cathedrals.

And I thought you only needed 9 cities to build all these temples, etc. But my game raised the minimum to 12 later on, when earlier it had been only 9 in the same game. So I thought, ok maybe if you want that 2nd academy/cathedral built, the game raises the limit from 9 temples to 12? Then with the 3rd it will raise the limit again?? So I need to build more and more cities?? That can't be right, can it?

I never build these buildings in any other game, and now for a cultural victory I thought they finally had real value. Then to only have the bonus taken away...

 

[DaveMcW]

We'd need a save to verify anything.

The Eiffel Tower gives +50% in all cities, losing it could cause the 50% to go away.

Free Speech gives +100% in all cities, changing civics could make the bonus go away.

 

[PMabey]

Just to clarify: You need 3 temples per cathedral. Once 9 temples and 3 cathedrals have been built, you need 3 more temples (12 in total) to get another cathedral. So it probably says Confucian Academy (9/12 temples) DW thats the requirement if you want to build another. The ones already build are still there and will be forever (unless you lose some cities...but thats not relevant)

I've just won a cultural game where i build 9 cathedrals, 3 in each city. I definintely had no problem with my cathedrals stopping working.

(A save file would be nice)

 

[LlamaCat]

I'll try to find an old save file later. I believe in my game I only had 1 cathedral built, then it said you only have 9 of 12 temples so it wouldn't let me build even that second one.

I thought the math was pretty simple: 9 cities, 9 temples, 3 cathedrals in the three culture cites for the win. then rinse and repeat for the next religion. For some reason this game just wouldn't let me do that.