Acid by now 'weapon of choice' for London street gangs

LOL "stalking." Everyone's posting history can be reviewed by any other member. It's a feature built into the forum software, so I'd assume that's deliberate. I guess I'm just a little incredulous that a site which accepts advertising from companies like Amex, Ikea, and many other household names would allow such flagrantly racist posting. I seriously doubt these companies want to be associated with that sort of rubbish content.
 
stinkubus said:
The reference Adolph Hitler that you've included in your username sort of irks me. I also don't understand how a quote from the mayor of London stating the reality that all major cities world wide are potential terrorist targets has anything to do with an article on crimes committed by native born citizens. Why would you try to conflate these two ideas?
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Can we award January's "Most Paranoid Deduction" award to this post please? Absolutely bizarre that this even entered your head.
 
stinkubus said:
LOL "stalking." Everyone's posting history can be reviewed by any other member. It's a feature built into the forum software, so I'd assume that's deliberate. I guess I'm just a little incredulous that a site which accepts advertising from companies like Amex, Ikea, and many other household names would allow such flagrantly racist posting. I seriously doubt these companies want to be associated with that sort of rubbish content.
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Everyone's house has windows you can peer in, and if you follow them home you can find out where they live. It's a feature built into reality.

Stalking is the action, not the avenue down which the action... walks (or something).

Also, loving the "target the advertisers" rhetoric. The battle cry of all true heroes.
 
Well, if he _had_ actually stalked her, then presumably at least he would have gotten the information right, so yay for stalking.

Instead, it seems like it was more of a paranoid guess of what he wants to be true, because there aren't that many pages in her posting history, and it's really easy to see that his claims were not correct to begin with.
 
Moderator Action: Discuss the subject at hand. Not each other.
 
Katie88 said:
Well, yes, I have read it myself. That's how I know about it! Of course they have a problem with our foreign policy, but you'll note that they put those as reasons 5 and 6. And the article continues, after the part you quote, with this:



As I said, they make their reasons very clear.
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Yes, you are right, I got to that bit after posting. You have to admit that the attacks are more correlated with military adventures in the middle east than it is with gay rights or whatever else they complain about.
 
GinandTonic said:
Sorry but given that these are not terrorist attacks, and that Muslims are less likely* to commit these attacks, what does Islam or terrorism have to do with anything?

* 6% London perps for 8% London population.
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people anglo saxons will find a way to turn every single debate into a skincolour related debate. oh, and also valessa. god I wish blumenbach was never born. maybe we could have a decent discussion for once.

Manfred Belheim said:
Can we award January's "Most Paranoid Deduction" award to this post please? Absolutely bizarre that this even entered your head.
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it's not that bizzare. 88 is most definitely well known code amongst the nazi skin community, actually maybe the single most well known code. it's on their skin, on their clothes, as patches on their jackets, on their cars, sprayed everywhere in eastern germany..

however I also did not think that katies username was in reference to adolf hitler. but how far fetched is it when we quite literally have (had) users with things like 'white pride', 'take the red pill' etc in their signature?

katie seems more like an oldschool conservative 'I don't like brown people' type of person to me, hardly a full blown white nationalist like.. some other posters on this board.
 
yung.carl.jung said:
people anglo saxons will find a way to turn every single debate into a skincolour related debate. oh, and also valessa.
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Actually, stinkubus made it a discussion about skin color.

But skin color is rightfully a part of the debate, as the gangs that make use of acid are largely black (and very disproportionally so in relationship to the overall population), and this... habit was imported from the middle east, where it had been the "weapon of choice" for men who want to punish their wifes for a while now. Those are simply true statements. Nothing to argue against.

But it's actually less of a problem than it is made out to be. As far as I understanding it, the rise in numbers of attacks is mostly due to the fact that they've become the weapon of choice in gang-on-gang violence, and if most of the attacks are gang-on-gang anyway, then who cares.
 
Your own source invalidates your first statement (which apparently is not to be argued against). The perpetrators are actually 38% "black" and 32% "white", absolutely nothing to write home about. "Largely black" my ass. Also, are you somewhat implying that the entire middle east has the same skin colour? The delusion is real.. Please don't reply to this post, I don't want to start another infantile discussion about this garbage.
 
yung.carl.jung said:
Your own source invalidates your first statement (which apparently is not to be argued against). The perpetrators are actually 38% "black" and 32% "white", absolutely nothing to write home about. "Largely black" my ass. Also, are you somewhat implying that the entire middle east has the same skin colour? The delusion is real.. Please don't reply to this post, I don't want to start another infantile discussion about this garbage.
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Dammit you got in while I was writing my post to say the same thing.

Valessa said:
But it's actually less of a problem than it is made out to be. As far as I understanding it, the rise in numbers of attacks is mostly due to the fact that they've become the weapon of choice in gang-on-gang violence, and if most of the attacks are gang-on-gang anyway, then who cares.
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The most recent wave has been about moped/ mobile phone theft. Just ruin someone and take whatever you want with no resistance. The victims have been disproportionately delivery drivers hence the massive over representation of Asians as the victims.

Not to mention a few incidences of right wing hate crime targeting Asians with acid since people seem to believe its an "Asian" crime.

But yeah it clearly less of a problem than it's made out to be.
 
yung.carl.jung said:
Your own source invalidates your first statement (which apparently is not to be argued against). The perpetrators are actually 38% "black" and 32% "white", absolutely nothing to write home about. "Largely black" my ass. Also, are you somewhat implying that the entire middle east has the same skin colour? The delusion is real.. Please don't reply to this post, I don't want to start another infantile discussion about this garbage.
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Except that...

At the 2011 census London had a population of 8,173,941. Of this number, 44.9% were White British. 37% of the population were born outside the UK, including 24.5% born outside of Europe.

yung.carl.jung said:
Also, are you somewhat implying that the entire middle east has the same skin colour? The delusion is real..
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Uhm... no?

yung.carl.jung said:
Please don't reply to this post, I don't want to start another infantile discussion about this garbage.
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"I will now make an attack against you, but please don't counter-attack, I don't want to start a fight!"
 
Valessa said:
Except that...

At the 2011 census London had a population of 8,173,941. Of this number, 44.9% were White British. 37% of the population were born outside the UK, including 24.5% born outside of Europe.
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I dont think you understand what largely means. Disproportionately is a different word. A great word too, though a bugger to spell.
 
Dyslexic English teacher, so it's kind of a given.

The difference is that since most of the attackers are not black this pressing issue is not best addressed through the prism of it being a black issue. It is a huge problem and The Daily Mail et al have characterised it first as an Asian issue (actively incorrect) and as a Black issue (limited but not insignificant correlation).

So it would be rather nice to have a productive debate about what the hell is going on, why and what the hell to do about it. And not just in this thread, but in the country as a whole since no seems to have any idea what is going on.
 
If 50% of the attacks were carried out by people in wheel chairs, would it be reasonable to point out that people in wheel chairs are disproportionally(!) committing these crimes?
 
GinandTonic said:
So it would be rather nice to have a productive debate about what the hell is going on
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Isn't it clear what's going on, though?

GinandTonic said:
and what the hell to do about it.
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How harsh are the punishments for people who do this? I realize that harsher punishments are not a good deterrent, but if the punishments are rather light, then it might be a good place to start.
 
Valessa said:
If 50% of the attacks were carried out by people in wheel chairs, would it be reasonable to point out that people in wheel chairs are disproportionally(!) committing these crimes?
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Yeah, but the suspect demographic is basically that of the crappier estates in London, which in turn are broadly the demographics of the gangs from the areas. Perhaps slightly more Black, but in a line with most other indicators of social exclusion.
 
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