Additional Civ 5 Wonders you like to reappear in Civ6

Lonecat Nekophrodite · Oct 3, 2019

What's your Civ5 Wonder choices you like them to reappear in Civ6?
While many Civ5 Wonders are carried over to Civ6 (Including The Great Wall, which now becomes TI exclusively buildable by China, and Russian 'Kremlin' which now becomes St. Peter Cathedral). The new Wonder Rules which treated wonders as a kind of non pillageable districts that had their own respective prerequisites such as construction site, adjacencies, parent city, etc, had reduced number of Wonders as well as District systems totally removed National Wonders completely. many Wonders in Civ5 were not included (though some did return in DLCs or expansion packs).

What's your Wonder Choices you want them to reappear? (You may choose as many as 5 (Five))

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Alexander's Hetaroi · Oct 3, 2019

I voted for
Statue of Zeus: (The only Ancient wonder still missing): I'd make it just require a Holy Site. Theological Combat Strength would be nice since they use lightning.
Notre Dame: (As a nod to it burning earlier): Bonuses are fine.
The Louvre: ( The largest Art Museum in the world) I'd actually make it give defensive bonuses first since it was built originally as a castle and gain the museum/culture bonuses later.
Globe Theater: Those bonuses are fine and what I would give it. Maybe make it require at least an amphitheater in the Theater Square and provide more Writer GPPs as well.
Pentagon: (The look of it would look great in this game) I think it should be built next to an Encampment in your capital or maybe even the Govt. Plaza.

Laurana Kanan · Oct 3, 2019

About a half dozen of those are already available as mods, with at least another 5 or 6 in various stages of completion.

Sostratus · Oct 3, 2019

I miss Borobudur; after what they did with the hanging gardens, i would love to see FXS' take on an in game model for Boro.
I thought Neuschwanstein was amazing and would love another wonder that could be placed on mountains. (Moving potala to mountain tile would be cool too!)

But the one I really miss as a model is the Shwedagon Paya from civ4. Can you even imagine how cool they could make that look in civ6?!

Lonecat Nekophrodite · Oct 4, 2019

Laurana Kanan said:
About a half dozen of those are already available as mods, with at least another 5 or 6 in various stages of completion.

I see. Much of these C5 Wonder mods are made by my mentor. Deliverator. And all of these are a nod to Civ5

Xandinho · Oct 23, 2019

Of these choices, I voted for:

Statue of Zeus (the game doesn't feel complete without this, in my opinion)
Notre Dame (the most famous gothic cathedral, this is another necessary item for the game)
Borobudur (because it's an Indonesian icon and a Southeast Asian wonder)
Neuschwanstein (because it is an icon of Germany and a very beautiful castle)
Himeji Castle (also very beautiful and an icon of Japanese history)

Honorable Mentions:
Porcelain Tower (it was actually considered a real world wonder, and more Chinese wonder please)
Louvre (more wonders with slots for artworks are welcome)
CN Tower (since Canada is in the game, I think this also could be in the game, besides, more modern wonder, I need things to build in the late game)

Laurana Kanan · Oct 23, 2019

Xandinho said:
Of these choices, I voted for:

Statue of Zeus (the game doesn't feel complete without this, in my opinion)
Notre Dame (the most famous gothic cathedral, this is another necessary item for the game)
Borobudur (because it's an Indonesian icon and a Southeast Asian wonder)
Neuschwanstein (because it is an icon of Germany and a very beautiful castle)
Himeji Castle (also very beautiful and an icon of Japanese history)

Honorable Mentions:
Porcelain Tower (it was actually considered a real world wonder, and more Chinese wonder please)
Louvre (more wonders with slots for artworks are welcome)
CN Tower (since Canada is in the game, I think this also could be in the game, besides, more modern wonder, I need things to build in the late game)

Borobudur, Neuschwanstein Castle, & Porcelain Tower have already been released. Himeji, iirc is tentatively planned for a future release. And, Windfly did a Notre Dame a while back.

PhoenicianGold · Oct 24, 2019

Hmmmmm I would kind of like the Pentagon and Borobudur, but many of these I don't have much conviction for. Maybe Uffizi if we don't get an Italian civ?

Things that I am generally opposed to, in order of strength of conviction:

* Prora - I'm pretty sure this one is never happening again and I am totally fine with that.
* Pisa - not really a wonder so much as a curiosity. A thoroughly uninteresting bell tower that got very lucky.
* Parthenon/Circus Maximus - beta wonders from parts of the world that get way too much attention in this area.
* The Louvre - itself isn't architecturally impressive and doesn't say anything about museum history. Would prefer an older museum wonder.
* CN Tower - I don't think one tallest tower is fair to all the other towers. I want us to be able to build several tallest towers over the course of a game.
* Neuschwanstein - yes it's beautiful and Wagnerian but a lot of its modern popularity seems to be vaguely related to...Disney. And we already have another Disney-influencing castle in Mont St. Michel. Given that we could just as easily have Versailles or Hohenzollern or Chambord I just don't feel any special attachment to this or any other second European castle other than giving us a second German wonder. Although maybe, given VI's art design, it should be included precisely because it is the prototypical Disney castle. Hm.
* Notre Dame - it's certainly not the biggest gothic cathedral, not the oldest, not the most ornate. Its global relevance is more tied to cultural legacies (particularly literature) than being an architectural marvel, which is fine in the same sense that we have Broadway representing theatre and Sydney representing opera and Bolshoi representing ballet (even though theatre, opera, and ballet didn't originate in any of these locations, just arguably reached their prime there), I just think it's often put on pedestals with spurious understanding of what would make it more exceptional than its contemporaries.
* Statue of Zeus - I think the old seven wonders are pretty myopic in their scope. At this point they might as well complete the set and Zeus is guaranteed to be in expack 3. The low expectations they set kind of bore me by now, and I've generally thought that half of them (particularly the half that are just variations on "temple") aren't as interesting as dozens of other structures around the world. It's happening, but I've been over it since base game.

acluewithout · Oct 28, 2019

I’m looking forward to Statue of Zeus. The Ancient Wonders are the only real historical wonders, so filling those out is important.

After that, I’m not sure I care that much. I’m not even sure what makes a Wonder? To me, it’s probably mostly about the architectural or engineering challenge - that’s ostensibly what the original wonders were all about. Many of the current wonders, particularly late game ones, seem to be justified just by being famous. But whatever. It’s fine.

Personally, I’d like to see the Prora. It’s historically very interesting, in a horrible macabre way, and I really only know about it because of Civ 5. Making a game out of facism, which Civ has to do as a historical war / politics / diplomacy game has to do to
some extent, is very tricky and there’s lots of stuff FXS shouldn’t touch with a barge pole. I think the Prora is a good candidate for something in this area, without getting into stuff that’s full on murky or offensive.

By the same token, I’d like to see Red Square in the game as the Communism Wonder, and the Pentagon as they Democracy Wonder. I also think we need a Spy Wonder, and either of those would work.

I’d also like to see the Apostolic Palace and UN Building come back. Building the first would trigger the World Congress, and give the owner additional Diplo-Favour; building the second would trigger new resolutions and grant DV points or maybe resistance to being voted down.

I likewise don’t want to see the Lourve (which isn’t a great building and we already have the Hermitage so the big art gallery category is filled), the Neushwitz-a-witza-thingy, because we’re not playing Civilization: Frozen 3, Elsa builds Spearmen, or any of the other Lonely Planet Top 12 Tourist Sites on a Budget Wonders.

I’d love Potato Palace to move to a Mountain Tile, and maybe another Wonder be built on a Mountain.

9gkj548hkm20vk79dj689bnj4 · Jan 22, 2020

I always loved building the Leaning Tower, picking the great engineer, and then building Globe Theater in a couple turns. It's like two wonders in one!

CN Tower was almost never worth my time.

Prora...I think I built that like once but I forget what it does. Must not have been too important.

Additional Civ 5 Wonders you like to reappear in Civ6

What's your Civ5 Wonder choices you like them to reappear in Civ6?

1. Himeji Castle

2. Porcelain Tower

3. Statue of Zeus

4. Parthenon

5. Borobudur

6. Notre Dame

7. Globe Theatre

8. Leaning Tower of Pisa

9. Red Fort

10. Sistine Chapel

11. Uffizi

12. Brandenburg Gate

13. Louvre

14. Neuschwanstein

15. Prora

16. The Pentagon

17. CN Tower

18. United Nations

19. Circus Maximus

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