Adventures of the Vietnamese (II)

[Killroyan]

Great plains does this sometimes. My best capital so far has been with 7 cows!!! and 2 horses. You can imagine the production power of that one. Especially with 2 cows on floodplains. Yes that is 5F/2H/1C

 

[12tn2]

Great plains does this sometimes. My best capital so far has been with 7 cows!!! and 2 horses. You can imagine the production power of that one. Especially with 2 cows on floodplains. Yes that is 5F/2H/1C

Omg One can beat at least emperor with that capital, maybe even in OCC mode then Early chariot rush with overwhelming number that can kill even Greece
Back to the front, Dinh Tien Hoang had to declare war on Washington prematurely. That's due to several American units were wandering inside our border, among them was a settler heading to an empty space behind the Vietnamese land where we haven't managed to backfill yet. I don't know the exact formula to calculate the tile an unit will be expelled when there's a DOW, but we were afraid that our rear cities, which are very lightly if ever defended, would be placed under great risks if we let Washy's units to continue traveling for a few more turns before the war. Better be safe than sorry, Dinh Tien Hoang thought, and his troops crossed the border. The third war ever in history begun!

On July 4th, The Vietnamese caught Washington by surprise Philadelphia (oh, you may not find it in the picture. If that's the case then look for the city ruins just south of the horses ) had only one archer inside at that time, but because of weird DOW teleportation, another archer appeared on the Malinese roaded farm tile (it's of the American by then). No problem, the next turn our swords still made them the training target (and the elite guy Lu Gia once again made the finish move ). The settlement was then burned to the ground. In our leader's view, that was even an act of mercy toward the American leader, since this city will contribute nothing to them when being in a foodless spot and squeezed by both the Vietnamese and Malinese culture.
Then Dinh Tien Hoang changed his focus on New York – another city not worth keeping. By abandoning the desert tile nearby, Washy has denied his second city's chance to access any river, and thus, farms. Anyway, its fate will be decided soon...

 

[Daedwartin]

12tn2, it is possible to have had all those posts 1 post. it save you a lot of trouble.
EDIT: k, it said there was a new post here on the forum, when i was the one who posted here...

 

[12tn2]

it is possible to have had all those posts 1 post. it save you a lot of trouble.

What do you mean? Combining all previous posts into one? No way, right now I am playing the game along with the postings. Even I don't know what the ending of this game will be
As expected, New York was razed after two consecutive successful attempts of our No lien chau on the defending archers. Behold the power of the Vietnamese's crossbows! So far, the American have lost two cities since the beginning of the war. However, the fact that the Vietnamese army were not gathered properly when the war broke out has hindered our advance toward Washington significantly: he has his own axemen and swords, and our pioneering swordsmen had to be very careful in progress. Dinh Tien Hoang even had to delay the march of three catapults in order for their guards of axes and No lien chau to arrive. We lost our only spearman in a careless and poor-predicting move, but now things are going all right:

The Vietnamese troops have managed to occupy the cow hill right next to the American capital, making it a perfect rendezvous for the arriving ones. Meanwhile, one of our axemen defeated a sword protecting that iron source (and it is Washy's only metal!). What's more, the road connecting it to their cities is now pillaged by – you guessed it – Lu Gia the celebrated swordsman! With this, Washington's doom is somewhat guaranteed from now. In a desperate yet odd move, the American leader rush an axe and a sword into the desert cow tile. Don't know his intention, though – maybe there's some extra hidden value over there? He wants to take a detour and ambush our stack? (literally, all our units are facing south ) Or is it a special ops team sent to surprise our newly founded front cities ? Dinh Tien Hoang is having a headache with it .
On another note, take a look at our research: one turn for literature at 0%!! Pretty cool, eh?

 

[Dumanios]

You're doing very well.

 

[12tn2]

You're doing very well.

Tks for the compliment, I'll continue to do my best for the Vietnamese, of course By the way, Dumanios, do you happen to know someone capable and willing to do some leaderheads (six LHs, in particular ) and unit models? Without them I can't finish my VN 2.0 mod project, and therefore won't be able to contribute to you guys my BtS stories of the 'true' Vietnamese
Now back to the war - ahh... the years are going fast – or is it actually the swift speed of the American losing cities? Just some turns ago Washington was captured, yet this turn our opponent's capital is moved again to some land far far away. We can't even see it now:

Ok some of you may still be able to find out – it's somewhere up the very north of the picture Now let's take a brief about what happened: the Vietnamese seized the American capital in 500AD. That was a tough battle with us: Dinh Tien Hoang had six available units (including one archer) outside the city, while Washington had three defenders. Normally that would be a highly feasible situation for an all-out attack, since it was 2 to 1 ratio, but the problem was that the American leader also had another swordsman outside the city, on a road, ready to reclaim his capital the very next turn. Of course our leader didn't want a terrible scenario like that to happen, so he ordered one of our No lien chau to divert and make a preemptive strike down on the opponent sword. He succeeded, but the Vietnamese were left with only five attackers to take out three archers on a hill with 21% cultural defense left. Dinh Tien Hoang could have waited, but fast battles is his style, so he went out one and all It turned out to be a correct decision, we lost two units, but our reserved archer was able to enter the capital unhurt
That was the story 80 years ago. This turn, Boston – the new American capital – shares the same fate. It is indeed able to expand the border onto that horse tile, but too bad Washington can't ride his newly acquired stallions for a single time Ironically enough, Dinh Tien Hoang himself will be able to taste some spices without Calendar ever researched...

 

[12tn2]

When the Vietnamese troops arrived his city outskirts and Washington finally was able to foresee the doomsday, he did indeed come before Dinh Tien Hoang between turns and begged for the sparing of his life.
“Too late, my friend.”
That could have been an option about a hundred years ago, when we faced some difficulties outside the American former capital. But during that time, Washington was too stupid and blindly stubborn to negotiate with us. Now he's enjoying the same consequence of refusing to talk
In 640AD, Dinh Tien Hoang launched the final assault on his opponent's last citadel, Atlanta. That city even haven't managed to expand its border to deserve the title of the American capital! What's more, five out of its first ring's nine tiles were under heavy influence from the Japanese culture. If we don't do this, maybe Atlanta will revolt itself in several turns and become part of Japan So our leader considered the extermination as an act of humanity to Washington, in order to prevent him from further torture by the Tokugawa's expansion, raging barbs from two nearby cities, and the fate of living as a highlander for the rest of his life The Vietnamese found two last defenders there: an archer and a spearman. Good, for Dinh Tien Hoang has prepared: a sword and two axemen will be enough to give the American a mercy kill. They did it quick:

Goodbye, Washington. You did it quite well this time, but unfortunately you neighbored us. And next time, don't mess with our wonder building plan! You could have lived longer if you had not stolen some of them from the mighty Vietnamese

 

[Daedwartin]

Take out Mansa Musa next.









i nearly called hime Mansa Munsa. Dang it Chrono Trigger (was mistaking his name i think for the Masamune(not that i hate the game. I love it. theirs a good reason why this got a DS remake. its just that good.))

 

[12tn2]

Take out Mansa Musa next.

Yes it's just what Dinh Tien Hoang is planning, because our army were proven to be a little excessive in their campaign against the American. What should we do with the veterans now, since they are crying out for more battles? With his friend Washington has been annihilated, Mansa Musa must be somewhat uneasy and might have felt something quite intimidating here He did carry out some action in response to it, like closing border with Dinh Tien Hoang when he saw the Vietnamese troops marched through his own land to the gathering points This move did indeed slow down our progress by a turn or two – guess where Dinh Tien Hoang will put his army:

Hint: those tiles are irrigated Yeah, it's incredibly easy to target TWO of Manny's cities right from the start, in case a war is inevitable (especially the holy city of Christianity, Walata. Mansa Musa has raced for this position just some years after our razing of Philadelphia. What's the attractive feature of that spot, anyway? With tons of food-lacking and not very decent hammer count, our neighbor will have a tough time farming all those tiles if they want their holy land to grow and prosperous. So there must be some hidden future resources, we guess). On the opposite, Djenné (ah, that name again... ) is a bit more difficult being the birthplace of the Confucian guy, and the Malinese are adopting this religion, too. It is in fact a nice placed one, with cows, copper, a bit of grassland and floodplains... Thus Dinh Tien Hoang is going to let Confucianism to continue to exist on earth, then After that, Timbuktu will still be a tough nut to crack, with a high concentration of Skirmishers there. But hey, are we being too confident and planning too far ahead?

 

[12tn2]

It turned out that the reaction of Mansa Musa of closing borders, which delayed our progress, was somewhat a decent benefit for us: in the year of 820, when Dinh Tien Hoang decided to launch his multi-prong attack, a Vietnamese revolt has happened in Gao! Its result was half the strength of both Skirmishers defending the city being lost, and the north wing of our army had just to face two 2.0 hit points Malinese UU. With this, the outcome was then predefined. In the south, Walata was still stuck with first-ring border when our troops crashed in:

Ok you'll not see any signs of Walata on the map now It's been razed to the ground for good. Of course the remains of those former two cities of the American and Malinese are still out there next to each other, on the bottom of the picture in case you still wonder Walata the holy land of Christianity was guarded by an axeman and a Skirmisher, but they were all defeated under the raining arrows of the Vietnamese No lien chau. Manny, thus, lost two of his four cities in the beginning of his second war.
But those were not the last news. Two turns later, our main force has surrounded the Malinese's other holy city of Djenné (ah, some old good memories ). Dinh Tien Hoang's three Accuracy catapults brought its defense from 40% to 10% (huh? I thought it is 25% per turn for each cat? What's wrong here?? ). Though there's still some cultural bonus left, our leader still ordered an outnumbering rush and was indeed rewarded with a new holy city under his control
People, this war is proving that the Blitzkrieg strategy has an origin from Dinh Tien Hoang and the Vietnamese. Of course, the Germans have learned it well, no doubt about it

 

[hoplitejoe]

At this point it is just an easy march into enemy territory.

 

[12tn2]

At this point it is just an easy march into enemy territory.

That's right the marching has no obstacles. But the problem is the fighting with Malinese terrifying defenders
But finally, in 920AD, the last citadel of the Malinese and their powerful Skirmishers is taken down:

Fierce battles breaks out. That capital's cultural bonus is once again reduced to 10%, just like Hô Li Chen Nì a few turns ago (that's the new name of Mansa Musa's former second Djenné, and is distinguished from our powerhouse city by the two first words, which indicate that the settlement is a holy site). And just like the last event, Dinh Tien Hoang orders a full scale attack despite the defense bonus. It proves to be really difficult, and the Vietnamese lose four of their units, including an elite swordsman in a bad luck attempt However, due to our overwhelming forces, the walls of Timbuktu is sapped down, and our army rush in finding the (tech) whore. They are lost in the sand and soil palace, and on the verge of letting Manny slip out of their blockade, but then a bearded brown man wearing a crown on his head approachs them and asks for the secret technology in our powerful No lien chau's arrows When Mansa Musa is taken to Dinh Tien Hoang, our leader did tell him about it as a last kind gesture before the execution. Goodbye, Manny. You've done well, but unlucky for the Malinese they have stolen the beautiful and powerful pink spot from Saladin, and therefore from us. That can not be tolerated. At least, kudos to him since he's able to survive until our second invasion
As the spoils of war, the Vietnamese capture three workers from Timbuktu. The city is then razed, for we have no hope of developing it in a spot like this. However that gems tile is so attractive, if only we can settle somewhere else ...

 

[hoplitejoe]

I demand the next game is played on monarch!

 

[12tn2]

All right I promise the next adventure will be on a higher level For now let's guess what Dinh Tien Hoang will do next Hint: you can probably see it on the mini map - anyone spotted Inky and Blinky?

 

[Daedwartin]

All right I promise the next adventure will be on a higher level For now let's guess what Dinh Tien Hoang will do next Hint: you can probably see it on the mini map - anyone spotted Inky and Blinky?

your making your nation ineffective though. You have a holy city. convert to a religion. You need the benefit from the civics more than you need to have extra culture, especially since you don't get free religion til way later.

 

[12tn2]

your making your nation ineffective though. You have a holy city. convert to a religion. You need the benefit from the civics more than you need to have extra culture, especially since you don't get free religion til way later.

Yes that makes sense, but the problem is that we have two holy cities at the moment Still, only a few of our settlements have Buddhism, and the same with Confucianism. Spreading one faith to all of the Vietnamese cities takes quite some efforts and will hinder our military production. Besides, the desired civic of Theocracy is somewhat made up by our leader's Aggressive trait already
Back to the main issue: the gap which is left when we destroy the city of Timbuktu can pose quite a problem to the Vietnamese: since this is a Raging barbarians map, waves of barbs can appear in the middle of our land and pillage things in our core cities, where the defense is thinner than those near the borderline. Fortunately for us, Dinh Tien Hoang has thought of this and has come with a solution:

Yes, another city and a great artist are the answer We got the guy from being the first one to discover music (you know, the Vietnamese are a highly cultural civilization ). By carrying out this move, Dinh Tien Hoang has managed to kill three birds with one stone: not only Nam Định claims a large amount of land to prevent our opponent's chances and barbarian spawning, but it is also able to instantly work the gem tile – which gives every of our cities with a forge in it two bonus happiness from the luxury resource (and coincident enough, most of our settlements have it now ). But what's more, we have put a major pressure on the mean Tokugawa and his Japanese cities: Satsuma is now completely toasted! Take that, Toky, for not trading with us. But hey, can a size 1 city flip? Does flipping kill any citizen? You guys, anyone knows about this? We hope no, but Satsuma has stood it for a while and showed no sign of a revolt at all It of course sees nearly no chance of working another tile in a long time ahead, so if we have to take the city by force it'll be automatically razed. Hmm ...
But Satsuma is not the only victim. Tokyo also had to swallow the same amount of culture emitted by our GA and now lost all of its resource tiles Hard time is waiting Tokugawa, since his other city of Edo is now sharing the same pressure, but from Alexander. Now who says the Japanese have a strong culture?

 

[hoplitejoe]

Poor Satsuma

 

[Daedwartin]

How in the world did Alexander manage to cultureely threaten Edo, its on the wrong side.
(The difference between Tokyo and Edo: Edo was the old name for Tokyo. Take a good guess who renamed . (the first for letters are the hint)

 

[12tn2]

Edo was the old name for Tokyo. Take a good guess who renamed . (the first for letters are the hint)

Uh huh, so... Poor Tokugawa, no matter how he changes his city's name the fate of it stays the same

 

[12tn2]

There are ten of accessible land tiles on the map that the Vietnamese haven't found out yet, and they're in the Japanese territory, thanks to Tokugawa's stubborn closing policy Yet we are natural adventurers, and not uncovering those tiles gives Dinh Tien Hoang an uncomfortable feeling Thus he decided to pay that land a visit. Of course it'll not be able to get Toky's consent, so our leader will bring along with him some guards, just to ensure protection :

Ok, it's a little excessive, but better be safe than sorry Our army will enter Tokyo soon enough (this settlement has two archers defending), 'persuading' a worker nearby to our side, and then hopefully we can take some quick ride to see Edo (that site has an archer and a spearman inside). Osaka is an unknown, but we know there're walls surrounding the city, so Toky may evaluate it highly, so there may be more units guarding than usual. The Japanese capital is also not known to us, but chances are it's not on a hill, so a quick assault with our three knights you see there may be enough. In case Kyoto is a tough nut to crack, our foot-soldier combination of No lien chau and axemen will do some sacrificing in order for their leader to finally see the mystical fogging tiles Too bad all of our catapults are assigned in the missions at the eastern fronts of Tokyo and Osaka, otherwise Tokugawa's hideout will definitely not stand a chance. And, last but not least, the heroic size 1 city of Satsuma will be spared by Dinh Tien Hoang for some time, since he's still hoping of a revolt there
Oh wait, that actually will not be the last Japanese settlement. As you can see there's a settler escorted by some guys heading for the former American capital. Weird AIs, what's so attractive there anyway???