Aggie
Deity
I can agee with worker W. If we all agree someone could already do that and then we can discuss further. I like the first city to be placed on a spot that we all agree upon before the first player can start...
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Nad
Known Troublemaker
I don't have access to Civ, but from the pic this is a guess at what terrain we have available:
Is that right?
I would also favour looking west first, since there seem to be more grasslands in that direction and we may have a food bonus. Being agricultural with the river, just one food bonus on grass would allow us to implement a settler factory
Is that right?
I would also favour looking west first, since there seem to be more grasslands in that direction and we may have a food bonus. Being agricultural with the river, just one food bonus on grass would allow us to implement a settler factory
TedJackson
Cunning old Celt
Looks about right to me.
You've just summed up why I suggested the worker move in the first placeOriginally posted by Nad
I would also favour looking west first, since there seem to be more grasslands in that direction and we may have a food bonus. Being agricultural with the river, just one food bonus on grass would allow us to implement a settler factory
Ted
Aggie
Deity
Sky, only jack merchant didn't react. So I thank you for the offer and await the picture [] It's almost like ISDG.
] It's almost like ISDG.
I think the chance of a bonus worth the worker move [edit: into the mountain]. It is a gamble, but having our capitol being able to spew settlers is huge. If there is no bonus then our expansion will be slow and the 2 worker turns will be small in the general scheme of things.
[Edit: In part I am motivated by the Diff level. A bonus resource is a way to be a lot less behind. Otherwise we will be hopelessly behind for years so 2 worker moves will be small.
[Edit: In part I am motivated by the Diff level. A bonus resource is a way to be a lot less behind. Otherwise we will be hopelessly behind for years so 2 worker moves will be small.
jack merchant
Internationalist
Agree on the mountain move (just to make it unanimous 
).
I'm glad we're agricultural at least here !
).I'm glad we're agricultural at least here !
Looks like the mountain was the right call. SW will give us the coveted 4 turn settler farm with our Agri trait.
That will really help.
That will really help.
Aggie
Deity
Should the settler go NE of the wheat?
I think you are right. Getting +2 food 10 turns earlier is worth an additional settler move.
Nad
Known Troublemaker
either ne of the wheat or sw from the starting spot would be fine with me.
jack merchant
Internationalist
If there is any place left to settle by the time we finish the granary and have improved all necessary tiles, of course
.I'd actually prefer skipping the settler farm altogether and chop forests to speed settler production; we can then use Salamanca for a worker farm when we're done with the landgrab. So my plan would be to invest two moves in settling next to the wheat, build 3 warriors and then go on all-settler mode.
TedJackson
Cunning old Celt
I favour NE of the wheat as the Worker can improve the wheat & 2 BG tiles (all within the 9 radius) without any river crossing and we still get 3 hills for post-despotism.
Ted
Ted
Ted, I agree that seems the best spot.
You are probably right about the Granary. I would still start Pottery first. If we don't meet a civ right away, I think we are better off with a granary. If we are crowded fairly early then we go for settlers first.
It may be more likely we are going to be crowded, in case we are not, it would worthwhile to be able to handle that situation as well.
You are probably right about the Granary. I would still start Pottery first. If we don't meet a civ right away, I think we are better off with a granary. If we are crowded fairly early then we go for settlers first.
It may be more likely we are going to be crowded, in case we are not, it would worthwhile to be able to handle that situation as well.
Nad
Known Troublemaker
Don't agricultural civs start with pottery anyway? 
I wonder what our initial tactics should be? I assume we start in reasonably orthodox fashion, with some warriors to explore? One thing I've been doing more and more in personal games at deity is training a second worker very early from the capital, before a granary even, and it has been helping greatly, but this may not be the place to experiment with those sorts of tactics Still, as we have a number of forests and hills, it could be useful, and a second worker can even begin roading to future city sites, speeding up settlers...
If we start with pottery then min science on writing would be the obvious tactic, followed by max on philosophy.
Good luck Aggie, this is gonna be great fun
I wonder what our initial tactics should be? I assume we start in reasonably orthodox fashion, with some warriors to explore? One thing I've been doing more and more in personal games at deity is training a second worker very early from the capital, before a granary even, and it has been helping greatly, but this may not be the place to experiment with those sorts of tactics
Still, as we have a number of forests and hills, it could be useful, and a second worker can even begin roading to future city sites, speeding up settlers...If we start with pottery then min science on writing would be the obvious tactic, followed by max on philosophy.
Good luck Aggie, this is gonna be great fun
Aggie
Deity
What should we build first? I'm thinking about two/three warriors and then a settler.
I may not be able to play the first 25 however. I have AG3 and two other SG's to play as well. Who wants to start with 25 turns? You could pause at certain points if you think discussion is needed...
I may not be able to play the first 25 however. I have AG3 and two other SG's to play as well. Who wants to start with 25 turns? You could pause at certain points if you think discussion is needed...
Nad
Known Troublemaker
I'll happily play the first 25 as soon as I get home .
What do you think of the 2nd worker tactic? Worth a try or save for another occasion?
.What do you think of the 2nd worker tactic? Worth a try or save for another occasion?
Aggie
Deity
I tink it is a good idea, but I like others to give their view on that as well.
EDIT:
ROSTER:
-Nad -----------> up
-Greebly---------> on deck
-anarres
-Jack Merchant
-Aggie
-TedJackson
EDIT:
ROSTER:
-Nad -----------> up
-Greebly---------> on deck
-anarres
-Jack Merchant
-Aggie
-TedJackson
TedJackson
Cunning old Celt
Yes we do start with Pottery but we're going to be food rich & shield poor.Originally posted by Nad
Don't agricultural civs start with pottery anyway?
I wonder what our initial tactics should be? I assume we start in reasonably orthodox fashion, with some warriors to explore? One thing I've been doing more and more in personal games at deity is training a second worker very early from the capital, before a granary even, and it has been helping greatly, but this may not be the place to experiment with those sorts of tactics
If we start with pottery then min science on writing would be the obvious tactic, followed by max on philosophy.
Good luck Aggie, this is gonna be great fun
We'll get our first pop growth 5 turns after settling (NE of the Wheat) and working the Wheat (while the worker irrigates) and only have 7 shields in the box. At that point we could stay on a 5 turn growth cycle, get the Warrior at the end of the 6th turn then immediately start a Settler @ 3spt. We'll hit pop 3 with 14 shields in the box and can continue the Settler (4 turns)@ 4spt.
The worker cannot road, move and chop the forest (8 turns) in time to really make more than 1 turn difference to the Settler so is probable better employed moving to one of the BGs and mining then roading (9 turns) just in time to help produce the next Settler
Check my figures but I think they're essentially correct.
Ted
