Often, I can tell when an AI is about to declare on me. 1 or a couple turns before, I make a deal with that AI for (ex.) 300gold for 11gpt or something. The AI will stupidly take this deal even though it knows it will declare war on you soon. When the AI declares, your deals cancel and you get that gold practically for free with no reputation hit. Stupid AI.
AI DoW Abuse
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Nick Carpathia
Unleash the HAARP
It gets worse. You can take out a loan with the AI, and wardec on the exact same turn. Boom, they can't upgrade/rushbuy, while you can.
S.K. Ren
Prince
umm, dude. A 11GPT Trade is worth 275 on Quick(25 Turns), 330 Gold on Normal(30 Turns), 660 on Epic(60 Turns) and 990 on Marathon(90 Turns) With the exception of Quick, the AI will always accept a deal like that.
H4run
Deity
yeah, if they set an AI to be bit tricky toward ourself either, like, giving us resource for only little bit of money, then declare war just 2 turn after that or maybe just the next turn, or maybe half from the agreement, it can be a balance on this game. So both can exploit each other, AI toward human, or human toward AI. Human being trick by AI? that is a good game. 
if they add serious penalty on betraying trade agreement, it also will be lovely, and make the game less brutal. I win this game in such brutal way that i never done it in early civ before.
if they add serious penalty on betraying trade agreement, it also will be lovely, and make the game less brutal. I win this game in such brutal way that i never done it in early civ before.
what do you mean? did you read the OP?
S.K. Ren
Prince
Oh, I see. Yeah the AI is crap
S.K. Ren
Prince
Nah its fine. Initially I had read the OP as saying the AI was accepting deals that were unbalanced in the players favor and completely missed the fact the AI should be declining deals altogether. Or at least selling its GPT instead of buying it.
If you do it this way, you will get a reputation hit and other civs will be less likely to accept gpt/resource deals from you. It's better to let the AI screw itself.
H4run
Deity
interesting i never sell my city or mostly puppet city for pure exploit. It sometime reduce the enjoyment. Once i sell 3 puppet city to 2 different AI, and i take their resource and all plus make them willing fight the native, the native take their city (Iriqois) i retake it then sell it. Sometime i aid them with unit to help them retake it from the superpower nation, this way i can provoke war between two superpower nation who live side by side at my continent, lead them to border conflict and later provoke them to war at each other.
Im kind a, city broker. Lovely job with lots of commition.
Not a bug keep this in. Your penalty is a rep hit, so you cant redo deals again.
I didn't like the 'fixed' term 1 to 1 deals in Civ4. I'm actually very glad they opened up trades again.
If you want to exploit it go ahead
I didn't like the 'fixed' term 1 to 1 deals in Civ4. I'm actually very glad they opened up trades again.
If you want to exploit it go ahead
You don't take a rep hit because the computer broke the deal. How it can possibly be not an error that a computer will accept to loan you money the turn before it has already planned to declare war on you?
eviltypeguy
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I could ask, what if it didn't know that it was going to declare war on you until the next turn?
And then the next question to ask would be, does it factor in that it just closed a deal with you when deciding to declare war on that next turn?
From the tables I saw poking around the civ 5 database today, it seems like the AI heavily weights how small your empire is when deciding to declare war -- almost above everything else.
TheMeInTeam
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If the AI isn't willing to take lopsided deals in its favor because of war, humans will start (tediously) using the mechanic as a means to see wars coming many turns out. This way is better than THAT.
Martin Alvito
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Humans can only use the mechanic because it is possible to see that the AI will accept a ludicrously one-sided offer without having to follow through on the offer. If the AI simply accepted those deals immediately, then players could not use the mechanic without exploiting save/restore, and we're fine.
Good point, though it is still a broken mechanic. Surely there are better ways, like say prorated returns of gold when a loan is broken (with the associated reputation hit for the AI for breaking the deal)
