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AI never denounces?

Discussion in 'Community Patch Project' started by HappyCompy, Feb 8, 2016.

  1. HappyCompy

    HappyCompy Chieftain

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    I'm over 300 turns into a save and the AI hasn't denounced anyone. I'm playing with 21 AI, there have been several wars, but no denunciations. Is this an intended change in the CP?

    I'm just using the Community Patch (not the Balance Patch). Fantastic mod!

    EDIT: SO after playing several games I will say that the AI does in fact denounce, but not until much later in the game than in vanilla. I actually like this change, and I think it strikes a good balance. Thanks for all the feedback Gazebo!!!
     
  2. IcyAngel

    IcyAngel Prince

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    Perhaps an issue with the latest versions? Or another mod you are playing with.

    AIs denounce all the time in my games!
     
  3. HappyCompy

    HappyCompy Chieftain

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    Perhaps, I am using several added civs, but nothing that should change diplomacy....are you using only the Community Patch? Or are you also using the CBP?
     
  4. black.dr

    black.dr Chieftain

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    they never denounce me or any other in any game i play!! :( :rolleyes:
     
  5. Enrico Swagolo

    Enrico Swagolo Deity

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    Same here, never see any denouncements, I see DoWs, I am asked to stop settling/messing with CSs but never am I denounced.
     
  6. ExpiredReign

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    Something odd is happening with your games if you aren't seeing any, in my games denounciations are happening all over the place. Life-long enemies or former friends, it doesn't matter, the AI will denounce the AI if they are in a better winning position to themselves.
     
  7. Kolaris

    Kolaris Warlord

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    Once Ideologies kick in I see them all over the place.
     
  8. Atlas627

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    Ditto. I see none before then, just outright war.
     
  9. Iamblichos

    Iamblichos Prince

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    I'm seeing them
     
  10. Enginseer

    Enginseer Salientia of the Community Patch Supporter

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    Maybe because there aren't any really major negative diplomatic modifiers except ideologies for them to denounce. I mean the AI is believed to be thinking like a human. Would you really denounce a random forward settle risking any public diplomatic backlash that might occur or would you rather declare war and take/raze their city?
     
  11. HappyCompy

    HappyCompy Chieftain

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    While I'm with you on this logic, when there's 22 civs and ZERO denunciations in 300 turns (Epic speed), I'm not sure that is working as intended.

    We need to get the G himself in on this thread for an official proclamation.
     
  12. Atlas627

    Atlas627 Deity

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    Depends. If I want to go to war anyway, I'll declare war. If I want to avoid war I'll do nothing. If I don't want either and I'm willing to lose allies who like them but maybe gain some, I'll denounce.
     
  13. Gazebo

    Gazebo Lord of the Community Patch Supporter

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    AI simulation I ran earlier today:

    Spoiler :


    I think we're okay. :)

    G
     
  14. HappyCompy

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    I just ran an AI-only game with no mods (other than CP, Info Addict and IGE) to test.

    Turn 240
    Standard Speed
    Version 2-10b

    Not a single denunciation. Wars everywhere, but no denunciations.

    When the same scenario is run with the "Smart AI" mod, denunciations start occurring around turn 200.

    Of course, CP adds much more than the (brilliant by the way) "Smart AI" mod, so I would prefer to use it if at all possible.





    Thank you, G! You are a :king:
     
  15. Gazebo

    Gazebo Lord of the Community Patch Supporter

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    Unless you are using the logs, spot-point data is not useful. Smart AI doesn't touch diplomacy hardly at all. My logs above highlight that there are plenty of denouncements.

    G
     
  16. HappyCompy

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    Logging is enabled, but which log do you want me to post? (Please forgive me I'm relatively noobish at logs)
     
  17. Aristos

    Aristos Lightseeker

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    Confirmation bias perhaps? I mean, there is enough variance game-to-game in Civ5 to make some scenarios completely different from the next one, only that those that behave "normally" according to our expectations tend to be disregarded by our brain.

    With that said, I usually see sensible, meaningful denunciations.
     
  18. M@drox

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    I am also using just CP and never see any denounces (unlike with CBP). When another CIV starts misbehaving, I will denounce them but no one else does despite having good and bad relationship between each civ as required. They do declare war. I decided to conquer a city state that was under protection and still no one denounces me. The relationships seems to have 3 states:
    - Let be best friends
    - I don't like you so no more trades
    - War
     
  19. HappyCompy

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    This has been my experience as well. I think the key here is that we are not using the CBP, but rather solely the CP.
     
  20. Gazebo

    Gazebo Lord of the Community Patch Supporter

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    There's zero difference, diplomatically-speaking.


    G
     

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