ZippyRiver
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- Nov 27, 2005
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I had something happen in my current game, which triggered me to keep an eye open for it. My tech trading partner is Catherine, and trades are done fairly consistently so I was able to keep an eye on her development (always looking for a good trade).
During an earlier turn, I noticed Catherine managed to obtain 2 techs in the same turn, on a turn that had one of the so&so completed their review messages pop up. The two techs she gained were not owned by any of the other AI. The only other AI that can compete is the romans, but they are lagging about 4-5 techs behind me and a few more than that behind Cat. I could not figure out how she got two techs on one turn. Obviously, one could come from research (there were not any free tech for 1st to discover involved) but the second one was a mystery.
Current turns: I have steam power, and cat has military trad and scientific method and corporation. Rome has mil trad & corporation but won't trade MT. I have a number of tech they do not have. I am also starting a golden age.
I traded rifiling to rome for corporation +change. This left Cat with two I didn't have and my steam power to work with. Not knowing what Cat was researching or how long my steam would be good for, I chose to wait one more turn before trading with cat for SciMeth so I could get a couple of monastaries taken care of.
Then the next review is done. being this is what I was waiting for i was anxious to pull up Catherine and see if my steam was still good. It wasn't. She had got that tech that turn. Normally, I would just call it my bad for waiting too long, but since I was looking for a specific thing, I reloaded the previous turn.
On reload, I went ahead and made the SciMeth trade with catherine and hit end turn. I get the same review box again, and at the start of the turn I open up diplo with cat and now she has obtained physics instead. WTF? The real stinger being physics gives you a free GP.
The only difference between the two reports, is when cat got steam, I was in first place on the review and when she got physics I landed in second.
It APPEARS that the AI get a free tech when these reviews are done.
If I trade a tech to the AI for a tech I am currently researching, any of the progress I made already on that tech is lost. So if Catherine was researching steam power and due to get it the next turn, whatever she had towards that would have been lost in the trade and not applied to her next tech choice, which may or may not be physics. Either way, there is no way it could have been obtained through "legal" methods. Or at least not that I can find nor figure out.
I have a slow computer. I tried to pull up the WB to see if I could get any clues there but to no avail. It took almost 10 min to get the game up and the WB open. Hopefully someone with a faster rig than this pos might have better luck, but I did not see anywhere in the WB options for this. No current progress on tech for AIs, could not figure out how to switch civs with the AI. I am fairly sure that is in there but I have ziltch experience in the WB. Going back and forth from the WB would take me all day to just look, let alone figure out anything.
I really hope there is another explaination for this, as this kind of AI cheat would be a game breaker for me. The game is noble level, so there should be a level playing field. I did not put this in the bug report thread for the simple reason that if this is the case, it would have to be intentional and not caused by some hosed line of code.
During an earlier turn, I noticed Catherine managed to obtain 2 techs in the same turn, on a turn that had one of the so&so completed their review messages pop up. The two techs she gained were not owned by any of the other AI. The only other AI that can compete is the romans, but they are lagging about 4-5 techs behind me and a few more than that behind Cat. I could not figure out how she got two techs on one turn. Obviously, one could come from research (there were not any free tech for 1st to discover involved) but the second one was a mystery.
Current turns: I have steam power, and cat has military trad and scientific method and corporation. Rome has mil trad & corporation but won't trade MT. I have a number of tech they do not have. I am also starting a golden age.
I traded rifiling to rome for corporation +change. This left Cat with two I didn't have and my steam power to work with. Not knowing what Cat was researching or how long my steam would be good for, I chose to wait one more turn before trading with cat for SciMeth so I could get a couple of monastaries taken care of.
Then the next review is done. being this is what I was waiting for i was anxious to pull up Catherine and see if my steam was still good. It wasn't. She had got that tech that turn. Normally, I would just call it my bad for waiting too long, but since I was looking for a specific thing, I reloaded the previous turn.
On reload, I went ahead and made the SciMeth trade with catherine and hit end turn. I get the same review box again, and at the start of the turn I open up diplo with cat and now she has obtained physics instead. WTF? The real stinger being physics gives you a free GP.
The only difference between the two reports, is when cat got steam, I was in first place on the review and when she got physics I landed in second.
It APPEARS that the AI get a free tech when these reviews are done.
If I trade a tech to the AI for a tech I am currently researching, any of the progress I made already on that tech is lost. So if Catherine was researching steam power and due to get it the next turn, whatever she had towards that would have been lost in the trade and not applied to her next tech choice, which may or may not be physics. Either way, there is no way it could have been obtained through "legal" methods. Or at least not that I can find nor figure out.
I have a slow computer. I tried to pull up the WB to see if I could get any clues there but to no avail. It took almost 10 min to get the game up and the WB open. Hopefully someone with a faster rig than this pos might have better luck, but I did not see anywhere in the WB options for this. No current progress on tech for AIs, could not figure out how to switch civs with the AI. I am fairly sure that is in there but I have ziltch experience in the WB. Going back and forth from the WB would take me all day to just look, let alone figure out anything.
I really hope there is another explaination for this, as this kind of AI cheat would be a game breaker for me. The game is noble level, so there should be a level playing field. I did not put this in the bug report thread for the simple reason that if this is the case, it would have to be intentional and not caused by some hosed line of code.
