Alleged secret Syrian reactor

[Rossiya]

Should we prepare the ol' "<insert Middle Eastern country here> has weapons of mass destruction" dossier, so we can invade?

 

[Ecofarm]

Should we prepare the ol' "<insert Middle Eastern country here> has weapons of mass destruction" dossier, so we can invade?

No, we are saving WMD-II for Iran. The Syrians were nowhere near having the capacity to create a bomb. I don't think they even had one centrifuge operating, let alone thousands.

 

[Captain Planet]

Should we prepare the ol' "<insert Middle Eastern country here> has weapons of mass destruction" dossier, so we can invade?

That is exactly what is being attempted. This is a last ditch effort by hardliners in the Bush administration for some form of invasion of Syria or Iran but not specifically North Korea who provided Syria with the technology - apparently.

 

[Ecofarm]

RedRalphWiggum,

I have to disagree with you. It's not really a double standard. It's no standard at all -- might makes right. If you can get away with it, you can do it. If Syria or Iran were to attack Israel, I think the right wingers would say, "Oh, it's on!" and eagerly await Israel's retaliation. There is no law or morality, there is only power.

Cleo

Hillary has said she would obliterate Iran if it attacked Israel with a nuke.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u1nmGmtD18

I don't think right-wingers would sit back in the event of a conventional attack. I think we would help Iran have lots of parking space.

 

[Patroklos]

I can only assume that you present yourself as a case study of the phenomenon.

Please, enlighten us to your first hand military experience. Why don't you focus on your year’s nautical experience in the various hot spots of the world first, that being the most relevant here.

No. You can't verify source from a recording, and I made no such suggestion. On the other hand, I don't think that the video cameras used were equipped with their own radio receivers. So on some level, there had to be a choice made to match video images with roughly contemporaneous (hopefully) radio audio transmissions, to imply that there was some linkage.

So now the audio was manufactured? Honestly, can you leave the truther crap at home, it’s hard to take you seriously as it is.

You are suggesting that the Iranians were charging with their motors off? Charging by wind power? Or are you suggesting that they would stop and turn the engines off in order to radio threats?

Shall I explain the concept of "multiple" to you?

Now that you have totally vacated the positions of relevance to adult discussion, intelligence, and reality with your babbling, I am now only responding to fulfill my morbid fascination with your interesting habit of self-pawnage.

It appears that the incidents were considerably less provocative than your own description.

It probably would to an arm chair general with an axe to grind. I don't know about you, and your opinion is really irrelevant, but to us naval officers of all stripes (as well as every international maritime governing body) unnecessarily closing other vessels in international waters, charging them, purposely creating CBDR situations and dropping obstacles in their way are not only dangerous but illegal. Then add in the IRCGN is a terrorist organization constantly involved in murder and piracy on the high seas, and all involved were warships, and you again look like a douchebag.

As to assertions of competence, I can't verify that you actually have the personal experience you claim or are just fabricating happily, and you certainly are not in a position to make assertions as to what experiences I have or have not had. So your comments there are without value.

Again, please enthrall us with your sea stories collected after years of military service in the world’s seas and oceans. Let me summarize the above quote for your.

"Patroklos: A career naval officer with several 7 month deployments under his belt who is Surface Warfare qualified and has been an OOD for several SOH transits onboard one of the most powerful warships in the world. During said transits, has had close but decidedly more civil encounters with several actual Iranian Navy vessels including a Kilo, which included radio communication.

Den: Played a half game of Harpoon once, but quite because there were no flashy explosions."

The Iranians are active in Chesapeak Bay, the English Channel, the Mediteranean, Red Sea, Indian Ocean, etc.? Remarkable

I mean honestly, it is just so pathetic, watching you try and run with the big dogs.

In any case, I'm not arguing that the 'Phillipini Monkey' is specific person. As you describe it, it is a phenomenon, and a widespread enough phenomenon that a competent naval officer would be well aware of it and prepared to discount for it.

Please describe what in that transmission identifies it as a Filipino Monkey joke? Please explain how a bridge watch could distinguish that when armed Iranians from a recognized terrorist organization are harassing them? Again, I bet you would have instantly known right? You are SOOOOO awesome Den! Den=Naval Rambo. Lord Nelson reincarnated.

You seem to have some bizarre fixation on the Iranian boats incident which is now largely discredited as a non-event.

Discredited meaning a few internet weenies with no real world experience think they know everything because they are the ROXORS at C&C (You) can't comprehend reality.

And it was totally unnecessary to destroy the rest of your original post. This one bullet alone has revealed you to be a decidedly unimaginative lefty living in your mom's basement surrounded by pizza boxes type.

What level is your WoW character again?
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[dosed150]

I would absolutely love to see the reaction if Syria sent warplanes into Israel for any reason whatsoever. such incredible double standards on this board.

i would think said warplanes wouldnt be returning to syria in that scenario, and all syria would be acheived is to provoke isreal so i dont think the syriands would ever try something like that, if syria didnt want isreal attacking their secret nuclear facilities they shouldnt have attacked isreal in the past or they could at least have signed a peace treaty to end that war officially

 

[I'm Cleo!]

Ecofarm,

Hillary has said she would obliterate Iran if it attacked Israel with a nuke.

And kill millions of people whose only crime was living in a country that happened to be run by a suicidal government not elected by those people. Delightful!

Cleo

 

[MobBoss]

Ecofarm,



And kill millions of people whose only crime was living in a country that happened to be run by a suicidal government not elected by those people. Delightful!

Cleo

Do you not think people should be responsible for the governments they allow to stay in power?

Without the peoples support.....those governments wouldnt exist.

 

[Den Valdron]

You are trolling, Patroklos. Your posts have extended to the level of childish invective. I will not indulge you.

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[Den Valdron]

Do you not think people should be responsible for the governments they allow to stay in power?

Without the peoples support.....those governments wouldnt exist.

I'm pretty sure that Osama Bin Laden was saying the same things to justify the mass slaughter of innocent civilians at the WTC on 9/11.

It doesn't get prettier or more moral when our side says it.

 

[scy12]

Do you not think people should be responsible for the governments they allow to stay in power?

Without the peoples support.....those governments wouldnt exist.

So according to that logic random American A should be held accountable for Bush and anyone's else actions. This is exactly the same logic those who kill innocent ,(Americans/anything) use. Osama could use similar reasoning .It appears that opposites do attract.

 

[MobBoss]

I'm pretty sure that Osama Bin Laden was saying the same things to justify the mass slaughter of innocent civilians at the WTC on 9/11.

It doesn't get prettier or more moral when our side says it.

Ah...the old 'we cant take appropriate action because Osama did this' arguement.....ergo, commiting the logical fallacy that if we do indeed hit a country with a retalitory strike then we are just as bad, if not worse, than Osama.

Where you are wrong however, is that there are legitimate levels of retalition in order to reply to a massive attack such as a nuke attack on Israel - and they dont equate or are equal to the act of terrorism committed by Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda.

 

[brennan]

Do you not think people should be responsible for the governments they allow to stay in power?

Without the peoples support.....those governments wouldnt exist.

Two words: 'Brutal Dictatorship'. Now go do some thinking.
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I should rename this the troll thread.

I was hoping for analysis of the video, whether or not it is plausible that Syria had a secret reactor etc...

 

[MobBoss]

So according to that logic random American A should be held accountable for Bush and anyone's else actions.

I see comments that reflect this all the time on this very site - especially from Europeans who think all americans are crazy for re-electing GWB to a 2nd term.

This is exactly the same logic those who kill innocent ,(Americans/anything) use. Osama could use similar reasoning .It appears that opposites do attract.

It goes back to the debate of are citizens really innocent if they build arms and war material in factorys, support their government financially in paying taxes, that allow their leaders to stay in power, etc. etc.?

 

[brennan]

It goes back to the debate of are citizens really innocent if they build arms and war material in factorys, support their government financially in paying taxes, that allow their leaders to stay in power, etc. etc.?

So what are you saying, Syrian civilians are legitimate targets if they support their government?

 

[brennan]

It goes back to the debate of are citizens really innocent if they build arms and war material in factorys, support their government financially in paying taxes, that allow their leaders to stay in power, etc. etc.?

So what are you saying, Syrian civilians are legitimate targets if they support their government?

 

[I'm Cleo!]

MobBoss,

Do you not think people should be responsible for the governments they allow to stay in power?

Without the peoples support.....those governments wouldnt exist.

Iran is an unelected theocracy. While the parliament has some power, if Iran were to launch a nuclear missile at Israel (and there's no reason to suspect they ever would), it would have been the action of the clerics. And yes, "obliterating" a country because its leaders attacked another country is absolutely monstrous (and would violate the laws of war).

Cleo

 

[scy12]

I see comments that reflect this all the time on this very site - especially from Europeans who think all americans are crazy for re-electing GWB to a 2nd term.



It goes back to the debate of are citizens really innocent if they build arms and war material in factorys, support their government financially in paying taxes, that allow their leaders to stay in power, etc. etc.?

I think it is quite simple.

In a few words are they totally inocent ? No. Are they more innocent than the bombs and the people that attempt to kill them ? Yes.

If anyone thinks otherwise they would align themselfs with people like Osama Bin Landen and i won't say George Bush to avoid further discussion and Random Military guy who doesn't care about killing Innocents because they don't overthrow their goverment. Your playing the part of that guy. I think you ought to have a different philosophy than Osama Bin Landen don't you ?

And there are the so called military targets and even then the innocent cost should be thought of as you can't kill persons that belong to a military only because it is a military.

 

[Patroklos]

You are trolling, Patroklos. Your posts have extended to the level of childish invective. I will not indulge you.

In other words you have no experiance and are talking out of your back side. The high horse tactic only works if you are not riding a pony backwards with a dunce cap on, and you are most certainly doing all of those.

But please feel free to impune my military experiance any time, I enjoy the chuckle.

So according to that logic random American A should be held accountable for Bush and anyone's else actions.

Why not ask Rev. Wright?

Iran is an unelected theocracy. While the parliament has some power, if Iran were to launch a nuclear missile at Israel (and there's no reason to suspect they ever would), it would have been the action of the clerics. And yes, "obliterating" a country because its leaders attacked another country is absolutely monstrous (and would violate the laws of war).

So I guess we should have just left the German and Japanese and North Korean home fronts alone then. Brilliant!

 

[nivi]

Meh, even in the "best" case scenario it would have taken many many years for Syria to develop an atomic bomb, doesn't concern me as much as their real, working WMD's, which are much more likely to be deployed in a war or given to terrorists then nukes anyway.


What did interest me is something which is so utterly impossible it's amusing to hear it, Olmert talking about how "we" are willing to give back the Golan, which pretty much everyone realize is not going to happen, not with him in control anyway, he doesn't have any political capital or the support of the people to do such a drastic move. So why did he say it? Many guessed, one of those is that he's trying to calm down Assad and the Syrian population, because of the assault, as a coup would be undesirable, neither would Syria attacking over it.