Alternate History #2

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OK, lets try and stop this one turning into mass-confusion.

First 4 people (myself included) only post, in the order that they post, i.e. whoever post straight after this has to wait until I post again before their turn comes around. and please, no posting with a preconcieved notion of one country dominating all others, no matter what else goes before your post.

A bit more modern this time, maybe a summing up for the next 3 years per post?

2 PODs:

1. the USSR win the Polish Soviet war in 1920, and Poland becomes a full SSR in 1921.

2. Britain wins the Irish war of Independence, and Ireland never secedes from the UK. by 1921, the rebellion is over.
 
(I think it would be best if people tried to keep it "reasonable" - ie, no "they all land in greenland and freeze to death" and that sort of things, and no cheerleading for any country.)

(Also, I think two years work better than three - we'll run out of years pretty quick if we all cover three!).

The fall of Poland causes panic in the UK, which returns to the "wall of ship" policy, and refuse to participate in the Washington Naval Disarmament conference. In addition, England strengthen her alliance with Japan, much to Washington's disappointment. Japanese are extremely pleased with this, and open themselves further to British influence. Commonwealth assistance (mostly from Canada and Australia, but credited to Britain in the public mind) after the great Kanto Earthquake of 1923 only strengthen this.

The Soviet, meanwhile, send agents and money into Germany, where Communists elements throws near-constant uprisings, particularly in the eastern parts, such as Saxony. As a result, many Germans rally to the National-Socialists as the best defense against the enemy at the gate ; the Beer Hall Putsch is successful. Several western nations laud Hitler's energic repression of the Communists ; France and Belgium withdraws from the Ruhr (which they had occupied earlier in the year) as tokens of goodwill. The hyperinflation in Germany is slowly brought back under control.

Mussolini takes power in Italy in late 1922, and Ataturk in Turkey around the same time.

Thus things stand, on December 31, 1923.
 
As i suggested on the other thread, what we can do is people will have to "claim" posts. First they post a claim on a post, before editing it with their matierial. If there is a claim before your post, you must wait until that user posts his material. Sounds good?
 
(Also, I think two years work better than three - we'll run out of years pretty quick if we all cover three!).

Done.

The fall of Poland causes panic in the UK, which returns to the "wall of ship" policy, and refuse to participate in the Washington Naval Disarmament conference. In addition, England strengthen her alliance with Japan, much to Washington's disappointment. Japanese are extremely pleased with this, and open themselves further to British influence. Commonwealth assistance (mostly from Canada and Australia, but credited to Britain in the public mind) after the great Kanto Earthquake of 1923 only strengthen this.

going into 1924, Britain seems in a very strong position. a strong ally in the East, no inssurection to its west, and a Germany that can at least be seen as the lesser of two evils. however, this alliance is potentially troublesome. the UK has a huge working-class population, who hold fairly favorable views towards Lenins Russia and resent the UK govt alliance with the National socialist in Germany, fearing their Nazis attitude toward unions, etc could be replicated in England. tensions run high and sporadic riots break out in working class areas of London, Manchester, Dublin and especially Glasgow. the British govt form units of demobilised WW1 soldiers, who are knows as the black and tans in Ireland, and the Terriers in Britain...

The Soviet, meanwhile, send agents and money into Germany, where Communists elements throws near-constant uprisings, particularly in the eastern parts, such as Saxony. As a result, many Germans rally to the National-Socialists as the best defense against the enemy at the gate ; the Beer Hall Putsch is successful. Several western nations laud Hitler's energic repression of the Communists ; France and Belgium withdraws from the Ruhr (which they had occupied earlier in the year) as tokens of goodwill. The hyperinflation in Germany is slowly brought back under control.

and Germanys economy thrives, to the astonishment of everyone exceeding the levels of production it did in 1914. Jews are excluded from public life, and anti communism and anti semitism become the Nazis leader, the perviously unknown Adolf Hitler rallying cry. Hitler has many enemies in the party though, and his position is not completely secure. by 1925, Hitler realises though Germany is recovering well, he needs something to unite the entire country around him and quash dissent withint the party. He eyeballs the agrarian USSR, now led by Stalin... its unindustrialised countryside would be the perfect place to settle Germans...

Mussolini takes power in Italy in late 1922, and Ataturk in Turkey around the same time.

the US courts Attaturk in particular, him being seen as a potential ally againt the USSR, without being tainted by the facist tag that by now Hitler and Mussolini have.

thus stand things on 31/12/1925...
 
As i suggested on the other thread, what we can do is people will have to "claim" posts. First they post a claim on a post, before editing it with their matierial. If there is a claim before your post, you must wait until that user posts his material. Sounds good?

Damn it. My fault.

OK claim by reserving a post in future? Start form my one above, apologies for not wating my turn
 
Meanwhile, in Asia...

The French colony of IndoChina is suffering problems. THe year is 1924, and a massive famine occurs. The Vietnamese are terribly angered. Finally, one leader arises - Nguyen Khoi, a descendant of the Vietnamese emperor Quang Truong. A massive rebellion starts in Vietnam.


Meanwhile, to the north, Japan's imperialistic ambitions fail as a series of anti-imperialism ministers take over in 1924.
 
so i claimed this post?

Ok i'll edit it with the goodies :)

Edit: Missed Cybrxkhan's post above. I assume you have to add to the above discussion? well i fail at knowledge about SE Asia in this particular time period so skip me...
 
No, you could write your part about another bit of history. We're covering the whole world.

So yes, you could, hypothetically enough, have Poland try to revolt. Although obsessing over a single country and cheerleading them on is discouraged. Not that I'm thinking of any (South-)East Asian country whose name start with "V" here. (Kidding. For now :-D)
 
no offense. but its historically bound of happen, Vietnam rebelling, so i thought, might as well make it more interesting and make it happen when Hitler's on the rise in Europe to distract France, much like in real history. :D
 
Four people? Well, I'll just post once...

In 1926, Scotland's worker class revolts and kills the local Parliament member. The defeated Irish are inspired and rise up, as do the Welsh and Cornish. In France, Brittany rises up. The revolting areas combine and form the Republic of Celtica.

In Hungary and Czechoslovakia, workers revolt and join the USSR (with some "persuasion" from Stalin). Germany is angered, as it is expanding its influence in Czechoslovakia. Hitler declares war on Stalin. Japan, Britian, China, and France see this as an opportunity for grabbing land and enter the war on Hitler's side.

America is angered by this land-grab and president Coolidge declares war on Germany, Japan, Britian, China and France, and signs an alliance with Russia. Canada, Brazil, Mexico, Vietnam, Celtica and Cuba enter on Russia's side as well.

So it is on December 31, 1928.
 
(And all semblances of realism fly straight out of the window...)
 
WWII Started early this time. Well to continue.

Poland see's this as an oppurtunity to gain some of it's land back from before the Partisans of Poland, (Lithuania, Ukraine, Latvia, Balarus etc.) and sides with Germany against the Soviets.

So it is on December 31st 1928 on the "polish side".

(this should be interesting)
 
The war, however, soon proves no more than a matter of small-scale skirmishes, because the nations of Europe, bloodied by World War I less than a decade earlier, simply don't have the manpower to fight any sort of global warfare, while America's navy cannot manage cross-oceanic operation against the might of the Royal and Imperial Japanese Navies.

Moreoever, many participants drop out of the war almost as soon as it begins. America is among the first, following the election of Democrat Al Smith to replace Coolidge (the Republicans fails to get more than a single state's support), after a 1928 electoral campaign largely based on the war. Smith rapidly conclude several peace treaties.

Similarly, in Canada, an armed Loyalist uprising in Ontario rapidly force William Lyon Mackenzie King to withdraw his country from the war. He is nonetheless jailed, and later tried and executed on charges of high treason, Canada being still a Dominion of Great Britain, and many English-Canadians feeling highly loyal to the Crown. Many of the "traitors" flee to Québec, where they are hidden among the french community. Repression against french-Canadian begins anew.

The other American nation, being powerless to intervene without any sort of navy, effectively drift out of the war.

Meanwhile, in Europe, things essentialy devolve into three separate conflicts : France against Celtica (in Brittany), England against Celtica (in Ireland and Scotland), and the uprising in the various SSR (and the independent nations of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia), backed by Germany, which keeps Soviet forces busy. Celtica, isolated by extensive Royal Navy blockades, soon begin to wither. In addition, in Asia, Japan attempts to invade Vietnam, but while they take Saigon, Hue and Hanoi, they are unable to make much progress beyond that, with the Viet forces holding the countryside with effective guerilla warfare.

By the end of 1930, France has retaken Brittany, and England is making good progress in Ireland, which had most of the resistance beaten out of it a decade earlier. Scotland, however, is managing to hold its own, as is Vietnam. The uprising is still ongoing in Europe, while the Japanesse have abandoned trying to wage war on the Vietnamesse, and are contenting themselves with holding the three cities, and maintaining naval patrol off the coast.

Late in november, Japan succesfully surprise the defenders of Vladivostok, and occupy the city.

On the last day of December, Britain formally recognize the independance of Scotland, which in turn proclaim its independance from Celtica, and signs peace with Britain. The treaty recognizes that Britain and Scotland shall now be two separate nations, with separate institutions, but in personal union and ruled by the same king or queen.

In the United States the Republican party has entered a spiral of self-destruction, its national credibility entirely lost. In Canada, the French have slowly begun arming themselves, and talks of independence in Québec are growing more and more prevalent.

Thus things stands on December 31st, 1930, as the world prepares to enter a new decade.

(Sorry, but let's be realistic here. It's been less than a decade since World War I ; Canada is still a british dominion populated by loyalists, Nothing has been done to make America less isolationist, and most of these "new nations" haven't even had the time to build a proper military, etc. Therefore, I tried to bring these factors into play while still making something interesting out of the previous posts.
 
In 1926, Scotland's worker class revolts and kills the local Parliament member. The defeated Irish are inspired and rise up, as do the Welsh and Cornish. In France, Brittany rises up. The revolting areas combine and form the Republic of Celtica.
Leftist Scots- "Red Clydesiders" were a largely Unionist group, favouring a pan-British socialist state to any form of Scottish or Celtic nationalism (an ideology which would not become widespread for many decades). They did not see the United Kingdom as an oppressive occupying power state, as most Catholic (and some Protestant) Irish did, nor did they view the English working class as enemies; rather, they saw them as potential comrades in a struggle against the British (not just English) bourgeoisie.

In short, your proposed "Republic of Celtica" is simply not a realistic eventuality. That sort of thing would require a massive build up of pan-Celtic nationalism, which, considering that this ideology was virtually non-existent at the point of divergence, would require a considerably greater period of time to develop than you allow. There was Irish nationalism, alongside limited Scots, Welsh, Breton, etc. nationalism, but they were disunited, and, bar Irish nationalism, a fringe ideology (and in this time line, remember, Irish nationalism has been crippled by the failure of the Irish War of Independence).
Plus, even in 1925, Scotland had more than one "local parliament member". It was, after all, a country of several million, not a small rural county.

Or, if you want to cut back on the details...
(And all semblances of realism fly straight out of the window...)
 
And American republicans of the 20s (such as Coolidge) were hardcore anti-war isolationist, not gung-ho world policemen.
And Canada was still a dominion of the British crown and highly loyal. They might have stayed out, but never actually declared on Britain.
And Vietnam, newly independant, would have had no army to speak of. Same for so-called Celtica.
And Britain and France wanted nothing more with war after the Great War.
And their manpower had taken a ghastly beating in 1914-1918.

As I said...completely kicking the realism out of the window.

I think I more-or-less brought things back down to a manageable level. Particularly if we pretend Celtica was a loose, informal alliance.
 
I said I was only going to post a story once, so, just take it away:cool: !

(I am not a very good storywriter. Thus, I only posted once....)

In fact, disregard my widely crazy comments.
 
Yeah... now I realize I screwed it up.......... In fact, start over from the year I made from (1926???) DELETE MINE!! (Oh wait, I can do that).
 
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