Alternate History #2

I propose the following

1)You may make a new post if either of these two conditions are met :
-At least three other posters have made story posts since your last story post.
OR
-It has been twenty-four hours since your last post, and at least one other person had made a story post.

2)We rewind back to Crbxkhan's entry where Vietnam became independant, erase everything that came after, and continue down from there.
 
Mm, I was worried you would be offended because that would erase your effort to retie all the loose ends created by strange things such as the Republic of Celtica.

1 is fine, I'm taking a "got it" post right now.
 
Chiang Kai-shek's KMT launches the Northern Expedition, aimed at unifying China and destroying weak Japanese backed warlords, who were weakened by Japan's new softer agenda.

However, the Anglo-Japanese alliance quickly grows alarmed, especially when there is news that the KMT's most elite troops have received German expertise and training. Thus, the militant and imperialist factions of Japan, such as the Sakura Group, quickly dispose of the reactionary anti-imperialists, whether it be by public scandal and disgrace or more violent (and yet as underhanded) means. The United States is alarmed and condemns the Anglo-Japanese alliance and subsequent Japanese naval buildup, which surpasses League of Nations limits but is tacitly supported by Britain. However, the popularity of the US isolationist policy holds sway.

With the world economy now booming in the Roaring Twenties, the worker revolts fizzle away. Britain continues to seek to further interests in China and Africa, but does not seek to help France in Indochina nor dissuade Hitler's Germany or Stalin's USSR.

France sends troops to suppress the growing indignation in Southeast Asia, but fails to retake the jungle from the guerillas. French troops continue to occupy major cities.

The Italians continue to practice military exercises which are budget failures and accomplish little. The trains on average run 28 minutes late in Rome...

Just as the world counted on the USSR and Germany to hold each other in check, USSR and Germany sign a friendship treaty and 10 year alliance, and Germany annexes Austria with the support of the Austrian popular vote. There is some condemnation of Nazi thugs on the streets "influencing" the outcome, but international condemnation is quiet and in shock because of the NaziComm alliance. The Czechoslovak government is in panic behind private doors in the cold winter of 1926 as the two behemoths stand at the gates...
 
Hey, no worry, I'd much rather get this game on the proper road again than hog my precious loose-end-tying.

Anyway.

ASIA

Following several Kuomintang/Communist incidents, Hitler is forced to denounce his support of the KMT to salvage his alliance with Moscow. He nonetheless secretly sends off several officers and weapons to China, under the cover of a purge. Stalin remains unaware, or chose to ignore this.

The western powers, however, do not ignore the incidents (and Japan and England takes a dim view on the sudden appearance of "exiled" german officers among the KMT forces). In August '27, England and Japan occupy Shanghai, with carrier support from HMS Eagle and Hosho. As most of the other western powers were concerned with the events in China and the threat to their concessions (indeed most quietly increased troop presence in their own concessions, even America), they stay silent. Further attempts to retake Shanghai lead to little; the anglo-japanese remains there.

The stalemate in Indochina continues. England and Japan quietly agree to provide France such naval support as she needs.

Late in 1928, Hirohito is crowned as Emperor of Japan.

EUROPE

Benito Mussolini makes a State Visit to Paris just in time to see Charles Lindbergh arrives. In Paris, he meet french politicians and american envoys. Over the next few months, resolutely free market isolationist America, France (scared into electing a rare stable right wing government by the German-Soviet alliance), and Fascist Italy arrives at a treaty whereby they agree to collaborate in intelligence gathering and police activities meant to contain the spread of communism.

Although England and Japan, due to hostility with the United States, do not formally join, they begin quietly collaborating with France and Italy all the same.

Informed of this development, Hitler is said to have laughed in childish delight at the news for several hours.

AMERICA

The United States spend most of 1927 troubled by the Catholic rebellion against the anti-clerical constitution of 1917. The revolt dies down slowly . As 1927 grows into 1928, the rebellion die down, and America enters an election year. The Election proves an easy victory for Republican Herbert Hoover.

MEANWHILE (all historical stuff!)

Trotsky is kicked out of Russia, the Australian parliament has a first meeting, Saudi Arabia becomes independant, the Academy of Motion Pictures is founded, Mickey Mouse is created, Elliot Ness begin cleaning Chicago, and the changeover from silent to talking movies occurs.

At the end of 1928, thus...

Alliances
Anglo-Japanese Alliance : British Empires, Japan, the Dominions (Canada, Australia, New Zaland, South Africa).
Treaty of Mutual Collaboration against Communist Infiltration (Rome-Paris-Washington Axis) : Italy, France, United States.
The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact : Germany, Soviet Union (Hitler at least planning to turn Stalin into a Commie-Kebab as soon as he can)

Wars
Chinese Civil War : Kuomintang (backed in secret by Germany) vs People's Liberation Army (backed in secret by the Soviet Union)
Indochinese Rebellion : Vietnam rebels vs France (with limited naval support from England and Japan)

Other Conflicts
Shanghai Situation : Kuomintang (no backing) vs Anglo-Japanese alliance. No actual fightin, but high tension.
 
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'Nuff said.
 
As Kraznaya said, everything that happened as a result of the Highly Impossible Post...didn't happen.

Poland, as of right now, is part of the USSR.They have poor odds of rebellion, what with (of the potential supporters) France, Italy and America being very much focused on self-preservation/isolation, English and Japan being busy in China, and Germany being allied with Russia - and Stalin most likely maintaining heavy presence in the newest SSR.
 
Poor odds of rebellion? HAHA Which country had a major revolt against prussian, austrian and russian rule atleast ounce every decade in the 1700's? :P Even if the odds of success is low, us poles would revolt anyway :D

I'll be back with a version of the story that takes more detail to europe, in particular eastern europe and Poland.
 
Poor odds of rebellion? HAHA Which country had a major revolt against prussian, austrian and russian rule atleast ounce every decade in the 1700's? :P Even if the odds of success is low, us poles would revolt anyway :D
Yeah, but history has shown us that when the Soviets have all your prominent nationalist executed it takes you 50 years to get round to it. Why should this timeline be any different?
 
Yes, there is, though I'm not sure TLO intends to break them.

And once every decade means there,s still time for it. It just didn't happen in 1927-28.

If you want to write a polish rebellion, it can happen in 1929-30.
 
Well...that's up to him, really. Will the great depression necessarily happen this time around? Will it be as bad as it was? Will it begin in 1929. 1930. 1931 or even later?

That has yet to be decided ;-)
 
For the record, I think the idea of a Polish rebellion this soon is . .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. Stalin, presumably as tyrannical in this reality as in our one, would have gone to great lengths to stamp out any and all non-Russian nationalism, so the chances of a significant Polish rebellion within decades of our current time period are hugely unlikely.
In our reality, a Polish puppet state- not even an SSR- took fifty years to break free of Soviet control, and that required the economic collapse of the Soviet Union to be successful. Why would this reality- in which Poland is even more thoroughly under the heel of the Kremlin- involve a sudden, inexplicable surge of Polish nationalism?
 
Well, the Russkies would definitely be the conquering invaders in this scenario, while after WWII it was a matter of debate whether they were liberators or conquerers. Yes, I know Stalin did terrible things to Poles in the real world, including the massacres, the annexation of traditional Polish land, and the destruction of the former system of government; but don't underestimate Red Army propaganda, especially after the Poles had tasted Nazi Germany.
 
Isn't there a rule against cheerleading or godmodding a specific country?

Yes, but i'm talking about a specific area of europe. Not just 1 country. What i meant is, Soviet affairs, communism, eastern europe etc.

For the record, I think the idea of a Polish rebellion this soon is . .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. Stalin, presumably as tyrannical in this reality as in our one, would have gone to great lengths to stamp out any and all non-Russian nationalism, so the chances of a significant Polish rebellion within decades of our current time period are hugely unlikely.

I agree. That is why a full scale Polish Rebellion is unlikely. But who said it had to be a full scale rebellion?



In our reality, a Polish puppet state- not even an SSR- took fifty years to break free of Soviet control, and that required the economic collapse of the Soviet Union to be successful. Why would this reality- in which Poland is even more thoroughly under the heel of the Kremlin- involve a sudden, inexplicable surge of Polish nationalism?

Remember, Nationalism can be caused in many ways.

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I got a huge Uni project coming up that I just found out today, and won’t be able to write it. But for the next writer, don’t forget all the excitement caused by Alexander I of Kingdom of Yugoslavia. The Lateran Treaty might be of some importance, and somehow include the rise of Polish Nationalism. (I was thinking of the soviets kicking the poles out of Ukraine and more importantly Vilnius.
wikipedia said:
In the years 1920-1939 Poles made up 65% of the population, Jews 28%, 4% Russians, 1% Belarusians 1% Lithuanians.
And most of those jews were Polish. So kicking them out might cause some disturbance in Poland)

I feel really bad. I bailed on you guys twice. :(
 
Well, the Russkies would definitely be the conquering invaders in this scenario, while after WWII it was a matter of debate whether they were liberators or conquerers. Yes, I know Stalin did terrible things to Poles in the real world, including the massacres, the annexation of traditional Polish land, and the destruction of the former system of government; but don't underestimate Red Army propaganda, especially after the Poles had tasted Nazi Germany.

How about we make things different in this story though. When we get to the time before the war, Instead of Poland refusing the treaty germany offered against the soviets, what if Poland accepted it thinkign it was a chance to grab land in Belarus and Ukraine?
 
Well, except the part where, who would the Nazi negociate that treaty with? ;-)

And of course, that assumes nothing silly happens between now and then.

You know, silly things like Hitler and/or Stalin using their alliance to sneakily undermine the other. With assassins, for example.

Anyway, anyone want to claim since TLO can't do it?
 
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