Ancient Empires, modern, industrial incarnation
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Tank_Guy#3
Lion of Lehistan
Just in case that was referring to me, I would like to say in my defense that I'm not criticizing, I'm merely throwing out ideas so as to see some more awesome Wyrmshadow units. I also throw in my support 100%, what little value it carries as I am not a modder/creator in any sense of the word, save endless useless ideas.
Wyrmshadow
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If I would drop anything, it would be the crest. And I'm using a new tactic. You get on my nerves, you get added to my ignore list.
BTW, if you don't know.. the Spartan Line Infantry.... that's a musket unit. Like the redcoats in the American Revolution....
I was fooling around with it the other night trying to figure out HOW I could incorporate a shield. Pretty much impossible unless they somehow bypass muzzle loaders and invent the breech lock right off the bat. So instead of making essentially a Hoplite with a musket, how about me putting the shield on his back as a last ditch defence when it came to repelling a bayonet charge.
BTW, if you don't know.. the Spartan Line Infantry.... that's a musket unit. Like the redcoats in the American Revolution....
I was fooling around with it the other night trying to figure out HOW I could incorporate a shield. Pretty much impossible unless they somehow bypass muzzle loaders and invent the breech lock right off the bat. So instead of making essentially a Hoplite with a musket, how about me putting the shield on his back as a last ditch defence when it came to repelling a bayonet charge.
Wyrmshadow
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if any joker with POSER wants the original cuirassier with M3, PM your email.
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Look! A Chicken!
He should still be able to load the gun from the muzzle, shouldn't he? Maybe if you add a "clip" to the inside of the shield that would hold the swab, or had a little "stick" pointing out that could be used as the swab.
Then he could just lean the musket on the shield, grab the ammo with his non-shield hand, and stick it in the musket, then jab the swab into the gun.
Sorry if this is nonsense/impossible, I really don't know anything about unit creation. This is just my understanding from the wikipedia entry.
Wyrmshadow
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Loading a musket is not something you can do one handed.
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Ancient Mariner
Nice idea on the shield actually.
Maybe a small one, so it doesn't look like it adds too much weight to the mobility? And that he could get it fast enough to repel that charging?
It could also fashion the Greek Lamda Spartans had, I think it's not seen anywhere on the musketman(so that it's not only a shield but a Spartan shield).
Maybe a small one, so it doesn't look like it adds too much weight to the mobility? And that he could get it fast enough to repel that charging?
It could also fashion the Greek Lamda Spartans had, I think it's not seen anywhere on the musketman(so that it's not only a shield but a Spartan shield).
IIRC an early muzzle-loader was either planned or made which had the musketeer plant the (bottom spiked?) shield in the ground and fire from behind its cover. (NB: this might have been more of an arquebusier unit?)
Anyway, long ago I began a thread positing that geography largely determined critical aspects of military development. Just as Hoplites evolved in an environment of relatively narrow valleys and mountain passes, IMHO this shield-to-shield approach (i.e., as with the hoplites, having your flanks covered by rocks) could be sweet - I just don't know how much work it would entail.
Also re: the breech lock: the socket bayonet appeared not long thereafter; I would suspect this better-armed-but-lighter (no shield = less heavy equipment to carry) would be shieldless, especially as, by the time of the breech-loader, IIRC available armor of any sort was ineffective against gunshot.
Best,
Oz
Personally, I think you should keep the crest on the Line Infantry and on the ceremonial armour and drop it on the standard green Spartan. Back in the day of the Line infantry, they didn't seem to be too concerned about the practicality of uniforms (I could be wrong, Im no expert) and the ceremonial Spartan IS ceremonial, therefore the uniform doesnt have to be entirely practical. The green Spartan, however, would need to be much more practical, so I would say drop the crest for him.
As a side note, I really, REALLY like the Line Infantry
bigdog5994
Lady Day
wyrm you can do what aaglo did with his skaven guy and since the spartans thought that long range weapons were for cowards they can just shoot once then charge with a sword or a bayonet that should take care of the shield problem and the line infantry should have the crest
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=166262
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=166262
Tank_Guy#3
Lion of Lehistan
I grant you that the units you are making are quite a bit later on than the unit I'm making a reference to, but there were Pavise Arquebusiers.
They would have the gun loaded, prop up the shield (and rest the gun on it) fire, and then kneel down behind the shield for protection whilst reloading. I'll look for more info if you're really interested. Shoot me a PM if so, so I don't have to needlessly spam the thread.
Wyrmshadow
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576 metaballs later: A cape.
mmmrrrr
Chieftain
Spartans famously wear capes. I know first hand that they can be b*****s to animate (it's what's stopping me releasing my Diomedes...), but it would complete the Spartan "look". It should at least be a though for the Ceremonial Spartan
Spartans famously never wore capes in actual battle
Wyrmshadow
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I havent been posting much lately because I've been redicuoously sick. All I've been using my comp for is to watch movies while I try to sleep and not cough up a lung.
Modern spartan would only have a nub, not a full crest of cource.
I may completely redesign the roman helmet for the modern guy.
No cape, too big a pain in my ass.
I really want to make a spear-like weapon for the spartan, but I don't want it to look like a jaffa staff from stargate. Any ideas? How about the smartgun from Aliens? Or just a really long rifle with a 200round helical magazine?
Modern spartan would only have a nub, not a full crest of cource.
I may completely redesign the roman helmet for the modern guy.
No cape, too big a pain in my ass.
I really want to make a spear-like weapon for the spartan, but I don't want it to look like a jaffa staff from stargate. Any ideas? How about the smartgun from Aliens? Or just a really long rifle with a 200round helical magazine?
IMHO I'd go with long rifle with a 200 round helical magazine. And again IMHO I didn't like the idea of the cape anyway.
Best wishes on getting well soon. And don't worry - it's probably not a lung, just a bit of bronchial tube.
Here's To A Speedy Redovery,
Oz
Wyrmshadow
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as futuristic as I am prepared to go.
Stormrage
Ever Present Taskmaster
But.. the one before looks much more futuristic! This one looks.. medieval?
