Angelic Tranquillity

[formless blob]

Corruption is spreading in the land, and dark forces lurk in the shadows to lure the weak into the darkness. The eventual fall of civilization to the forces of evil is inevitable, or so the Angels believe. Therefore they have decided to lay waste to the world, so the taint can not spread to other worlds. From their ethereal fortresses located in the void between worlds, they send legions to the borders of civilization... Your civilization!

Basically what I am proposing, is a system like Master of Orion II, where you would get attacks from the evil Antarans. They would pop up from time to time, and attack someone at random (usually the stronger player).

In FfH maybe have a bunch of angelic units spawn once in a while, and go on a rampage for a few turns, then disappear. The units should grow stronger and stronger with time naturally (as you weaken the barrier with all your growth and technology). Some would carry items, you can get if you can beat them. They would be totally neutral, and not have anything to do with the order (or maybe not?). The order will eventually be corrupted anyway, all taint must be purged.

This would open a late game victory condition, where you could build a gateway to travel to their ethereal fortresses, and kick their ass. Much like it was in MoO2. This is a nice way to win the game, as you don't have to spend hours conquering your already defeated foes (the Angels should have maybe one massively fortified city).

How is this different from barbarians? Well, in the midgame barbarians are no longer relevant, because most land is claimed, this is a kind of replacement for that.

 

[Sureshot]

that could be fun, MoO2 was a ton of fun (i cant say the same for MoO3 )

i really liked the crystaline entity monster too, and wasnt there a blob that roamed around too?

 

[Maniac]

Isn't that what the Basium crowd is (to a certain degree) supposed to be about?

 

[formless blob]

Basium is primarily conserned with killing demons, not the destruction of the world, or so I gather from the description. Also he is only a regular civ leader, that is not at all what I am suggesting. This mechanics does not have to involve angels, I just thought it would be rather cool for flavor.

 

[Silverkiss]

Angels can´t enter the mortal world, they are bound by the Compact... Only exeptions are Cassiel, leader of the Grigori, Basium, leader of the Mercurians and Sabathiel, leader of the Bannor, altough, by his description, he rarely enter the mortal world. Sphener (the Order hero) is different, he asked to Junil to fall so he could destroy the rogues that where stealing the temple where the Compact was signed.

 

[Kael]

Angels can´t enter the mortal world, they are bound by the Compact... Only exeptions are Cassiel, leader of the Grigori, Basium, leader of the Mercurians and Sabathiel, leader of the Bannor, altough, by his description, he rarely enter the mortal world. Sphener (the Order hero) is different, he asked to Junil to fall so he could destroy the rogues that where stealing the temple where the Compact was signed.

Meaningless fluff to follow:

Sabathiel isn't actually in creation, he went into hell to help the Bannor fight their way out and since then he has been dwelling between the worlds. From the Bannor's perspective he lives in a scared room inside one of their temples that only their high priests can enter. But in reality that "room" isn't in creation but in the spiritual world.

As you correctly said Cassiel, Basium and Sphener have broken the compact. Mardero is acutally half human (a cambion), which is how he gets
around the restricitons of the compact. Hyborem correctly shouldn't be able to leave hell (once hell is implemented) which is how he keeps from breaking the compact. And Balors should only be able to exist in hell or as commanded by mortals (which is how they break the compact).

An interesting thing to note here. The compact applies to any being created by the One. As such it is as applicable to true demons as it is to angels. Lesser demons (anything less powerful than a Balor) were not created by the One but are instead the result of mortal souls turned and corrupted by hell, they have free reign. Similarily the multitude of lesser spirits which are the spirits of mortals who have gone to the spirtual planes of the good dieties are also free to act outside the compact.

That all being said, it doesn't matter at all to me if people make their own mods and comply with this backstory or create their own. At the end of the day the only thing that matters is, "is it fun?". Everything else is secondary.

SeZ and I have this conversation going on about Rantine where I can describe the details of what he looks like, his philosophy, the way he wore his hair and what his sword looked like. But in the end none of that really matters as long as Rantine looks cool (and we all know how good SeZ is of doing that). So play trumps "realism".

 

[Silverkiss]

Always nice to read more about FfH lore.

 

[thomas.berubeg]

this would be something like the avatar of wrath popping up without the ritual being built. (just a random thing that happens)

 

[QES]

To JuliusBloodmoon
Bizzarity Question:
A) Is your avatar Male or Female?
B) Is your choice of avatar because of fandom, or reflection of "it'd be cool if i was ____"
C) Does this imply gender like sureshots avatar?

None of these questions matter, just a curiosity.

Personally, If I had an avatar of "it'd be cool if i was"
Id pick Vash The Stampede, though, theres some tragedy there.
-Qes

 

[Silverkiss]

a) Avatar is female.
b) I don´t know what fandom means, but if its because that im a fan of it, not really, this isn´t an actual character, Its a pack with 12 especial pictures from the Golden Knights of the Saynt Seya anime if they were female.
c) No, im male.

Obs: Vash is cool.

 

[QES]

a) Avatar is female.
b) I don´t know what fandom means, but if its because that im a fan of it, not really, this isn´t an actual character, Its a pack with 12 especial pictures from the Golden Knights of the Saynt Seya anime if they were female.
c) No, im male.

Obs: Vash is cool.

Ha, perfectly precisely answered, thank you.
-Qes

 

[Silverkiss]

Oh, and you problaby didn´t know if it was male or female because of the resolution, the full, normal-size picture you can´t have doubts. (Unless your blind or something o_0)

 

[Nikis-Knight]

Why does Hyborem and co. really worry about breaking the compact? I thought they served a fallen 'god' anyway, so aren't her minions also unbound?

 

[QES]

Why does Hyborem and co. really worry about breaking the compact? I thought they served a fallen 'god' anyway, so aren't her minions also unbound?

"There are rules, and even older rules...and still even older rules, I must obey."

Free will is for the mortals.
-Qes

 

[Nikis-Knight]

Well, yes, I think we've had this conversation before (with roles reversed).
Cassiel and Basium clearly had free will, though.

Oh, and is Einon Logos an angel? I can't really tell.

 

[Kael]

Well, yes, I think we've had this conversation before (with roles reversed).
Cassiel and Basium clearly had free will, though.

Oh, and is Einon Logos an angel? I can't really tell.

Nah, Einion is just an old guy. Got his magical depends +2 of protection from seepage.

 

[Silverkiss]

Nope. Only Angels are Basium, Cassiel, Sabathiel and Sphener. Kael has the Speed Posting promotion, only avaiable to untis with Developer promotion.

 

[Maniac]

Why does Hyborem and co. really worry about breaking the compact? I thought they served a fallen 'god' anyway, so aren't her minions also unbound?

Because the neutral Angels would turn against them.

 

[formless blob]

Meaningless fluff to follow:
An interesting thing to note here. The compact applies to any being created by the One. As such it is as applicable to true demons as it is to angels. Lesser demons (anything less powerful than a Balor) were not created by the One but are instead the result of mortal souls turned and corrupted by hell, they have free reign. Similarily the multitude of lesser spirits which are the spirits of mortals who have gone to the spirtual planes of the good dieties are also free to act outside the compact.

Ah, but this is beautiful. This is of course why they don't send their most badass angel of death on turn one. They can only send lesser beings. So we have a fraction of heaven, who want to destroy the world because they believe it will be lost to demons eventually. We could then have demons on one side, wanting to enslave the world, and angels wanting to destroy it. Then we could have angels not wanting to destroy the world (the order religion) and demons fighting amongst themselves or some such. There could be special cases for the demon and angel civs, like there is for the barbarian civs.

Still I think conquering heaven, is a pretty cool way to win the game! Also I'd like to get some feedback on the gameplay aspect of it, with the attacks from nowhere, and the victory condition.

 

[Kael]

Why does Hyborem and co. really worry about breaking the compact? I thought they served a fallen 'god' anyway, so aren't her minions also unbound?

The Compact is a deal between the 21 gods that they would not war openly. Agares was one of its strongest supporters. He has no desire to wage direct war with the other gods (especially when the neutral gods threatened to join against whoever broke the compact) and would rather work through his manipulations than prolonged battle. Philosophically he believes that rebellion is the natural result of free will, so he thinks he has a better chance in a war of ideologies than a war of powers.

In his mind war only serves to strengthen the righteous against him. He would prefer a man plump on his success and without fear than one prepared for spiritual and physical battle.

Hyborem is one of Agares's subordinates (a fallen solar) and a true demon. He tends to be more aggresive than his lord but he wouldn't defy Agares. So he complies with the compact and hopes that when the One returns to judge the world he won't find his chastized children still banished to their tiny corner but that all of creation will have turned against the One and worship Agares. Then if the One is to destroy the evil in creation he will have to destroy everything. Hyborem wants to make sure that if he is going down, everyone is going down with him.