Another one bites to dust

[IceBlaZe]

IDF Arrests Wanted Palestinien Terrorist that tried to evade by using an ambulance-healthcare personnel costum and driving an ambulance.

This thread is not supposed to flame or to open another palestinien-israeli arguement, just to make people think twice before blaming the IDF on checking every passing palestinien ambulance. Live Securely or Die Progressively. I choose live securely, thats all.

One more thing I want to stick into this thread:
There seems to be a lot of fuss of human rights activists about what's going on with the palestiniens.. yet I saw none caring about whats going on with the Israelis. I mean, our citizens gets bombed once a week, old ladies, babies and women with no distinction. Since the beggining of the intifada al-akza that Arafat declared, the Israeli economy has went even further down the drain enlarging the number of israeli people living near the poor-line (if thats what its called in English). Palestinien kids are manipulated to fight Israeli tanks by the palestinien leadership and leadership-sponsored education, yet no one cares about that.
Its easy to say Israel is a men-eating monster and that the palestiniens are fringed that is all pale blue, but thats just not life.
And saying that terrorists who bomb Women, Old people, babies, and kids with no distinction, further than that, choosing the targets that are most hurtful to the citizens (kinder gardens, teen dancing clubs, malls) as their targets are 'Freedom Fighters' is one hell of a twisted mind.

Damn, can't I say one thing without dragging again to this conflict? oh well, I guess its still alive

 

[Blackadder]

Do you mean like the Al-Queda members locked up in Cuba of whom groups worry about if they are kept in unfair conditions? Whom their parents claim are 'misguided' and were brainwashed into it?

The same members of an organisation which would likely not hesitate in the extermination of each and every opponent to their ambitions?

And saying that terrorists who bomb Women, Old people, babies, and kids with no distinction, further than that, choosing the targets that are most hurtful to the citizens (kinder gardens, teen dancing clubs, malls) as their targets are 'Freedom Fighters' is one hell of a twisted mind.

Human activists actually say that, word for word? Written evidence please.

can't I say one thing without dragging again to this conflict?

There will be no conflict so long as you explain exactly what you mean and give evidence. Forgive me, but your title for the thread was a little vague... I almost thought this was a tribute to Queen!

 

[VoodooAce]

Originally posted by IceBlaZe
IDF Arrests Wanted Palestinien Terrorist that tried to evade by using an ambulance-healthcare personnel costum and driving an ambulance.

This thread is not supposed to flame or to open another palestinien-israeli arguement, just to make people think twice before blaming the IDF on checking every passing palestinien ambulance. Live Securely or Die Progressively. I choose live securely, thats all.

One more thing I want to stick into this thread:
There seems to be a lot of fuss of human rights activists about what's going on with the palestiniens.. yet I saw none caring about whats going on with the Israelis. I mean, our citizens gets bombed once a week, old ladies, babies and women with no distinction. Since the beggining of the intifada al-akza that Arafat declared, the Israeli economy has went even further down the drain enlarging the number of israeli people living near the poor-line (if thats what its called in English). Palestinien kids are manipulated to fight Israeli tanks by the palestinien leadership and leadership-sponsored education, yet no one cares about that.
Its easy to say Israel is a men-eating monster and that the palestiniens are fringed that is all pale blue, but thats just not life.
And saying that terrorists who bomb Women, Old people, babies, and kids with no distinction, further than that, choosing the targets that are most hurtful to the citizens (kinder gardens, teen dancing clubs, malls) as their targets are 'Freedom Fighters' is one hell of a twisted mind.

Damn, can't I say one thing without dragging again to this conflict? oh well, I guess its still alive

Iceblaze, I agree with you again, on most of what you say about the Palestinians.

Just the same, Israelis must look in the mirror and accept their 50% of the blame.

 

[IceBlaZe]

The title 'Another one bites to dust' i chose because its another palestinien terrorist arrested (out of dozens/hundreds), and its yet another thread about Israel-Palestine.

And I didnt say all human activists say that palestinien terrorists are 'freedom fighters', actually I didnt mean that at all, my thread was about a few different subjects - one is the huge amount of human activists in favour of the palestiniens and none mentioning the hard situation israel is also part of, and the second one was about people who call palestinien terrorists 'freedom fighters'.

I cant give you evidence as I dont have a quote on someone saying that palestinien terrorists are 'freedom fighters' but I heard that more than a few times around.

'Just the same, Israelis must look in the mirror and accept their 50% of the blame.'

Im sure Israel also has a part of the blame, but:
The Israeli Government does not let israelis kill and bomb palestiniens whenever they want, the Israeli government does not manipulate kids into shooting and throwing molotov cocktales on palestiniens, the Israeli Government does not carry speeches that say suicide bombing against citizens is good and the Israeli Government does not tell its citizens that violence is the best way to end a conflict.

Let's not start again the egg and the chicken arguement about who started it, the Israelis or the Palestiniens, but just remember that when the Israeli government offered the palestiniens 97% of their territories for peace, arafat said no and HE started the intifada.

Also, one of the ironies is that Israel is occasionally blamed about doing 'Ethnic Clensing' to the palestiniens by info-lackers while its the palestinien-leadership-sponsored palestinien terror groups who have the policy of demolishing the zionists and israel of the earth on any cost.

And also, some of you like to say Israel is 100% blame for the bad-conditioned palestinien economy, while its the palestinien leadership that uses the EU Funds to buy weapon ships, and its the palestinien authority who wont stop terror therfor only causing harm to its own citizens, and its the palestinien terrorists who use houses as shelters for terror attacks, and these houses have to be demolished in order to stop the terror attacks.

I hope this post clears my opinions for you, blackadder.

 

[Blackadder]

and its the palestinien authority who wont stop terror therfor only causing harm to its own citizens,

Even if the Palestine authorities were willing )(I am not implying whether or not they are. I take sides when all the evidence is given) to stop the terrorists, they would almost never suceed. Would the citizens of the country be attacked then/ Lets face it, partisan action like this can only be stopped by either giving in or using storage/concentration camps (although by and by little difference, the Boer war British camps over the Nazi camps)

So, how do we (i.e. the citizens of Earth)protect against such threats? What would be your solution IceBlaze?

P.S. If not IceBlaze, could someone get evidence for any aspect of this thread.

 

[IceBlaZe]

First of all, even if they cant completely stop terror im sure they can do this:

1. NOT USE EU MONEY TO BUY A SHIP LOADED WITH WEAPONRY TO TERRORISTS
2. If a simple IDF operation catches more terrorists than the palestiniens 'arrested' in a month than im sure the palestinien authority can try harder
3. Stop from releasing every terrorist they arrest after one day (and if you want evidence, look at the long list of terrorist leaders israel have assasinated, they were all reported to be 'Arrested' by the palestinien authority)
4. Stop the manipulation against Israel in the palestinien education (Evidence: Read a palestinien education book)

Terror works well on governments that support it: IE Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine and all the others. yes terror organizations exists in countries like USA and France as well... but not in that amount
So, if the palestinien authority will stop supporting terror (Dismantle terror organizations from arms, arrest terrorists, stop giving shelter to terrorists, stop buying weapons for terrorists, stop using EU money to help terrorists) maybe there is a way to stop it or to minimize it a lot.

But, you are also asking how are we citiznes protect ourselves from terror... Well we try the best we can, the government tries the best she cans for us, but then if she does it, everyone criticsizes it (Seizes on cities has proven to be the most efficient way to minimize terror, Assasination of major terrorist leaders (and no, I dont believe that a terrorist leader who planes the death of dozens of people, and his government does not arrest him, should be given basic rights)).

You know what was the organization that caused all the latest terror attacks? The Tanzim, who stands in the head of the tanzim, the 'militant' arm of the PLO? you guessed it, arafat.

http://www.edume.org/reports/1/report.htm

Visit that site for evidence, or else dont say I dont have evidence because here is one. enjoy

 

[Blackadder]

Okay, here is evidence 'A'. Sadly, as we appear to have no Palestine Civ-fanatics in this forum, I guess we will be relying on people like Bigbird to give us evidence in favour of Palestine. (though this will be hard).

"It is mentioned in the Talmud: "We [the Jews] are God's people on earth...[God] forced upon the human animal and upon all the nations and the races that they serve us, and He spread us through the world to ride on them and hold their reigns. We must marry our beautiful daughters to kings, ministers and lords and enter our sons into the various religions, thus, we will have the final word in managing the countries. We should cheat them and foment quarrels among them, so that they fight each other... Non Jews are pigs whom God created in the shape of man in order that they be fit for the service of the Jews, and God created the world for them [the Jews]."

What a weird thing to write down. Most of the writings appeared in favour of Christians and yet this paragraph claims that the Jews 'enter their sons into various religions'. I take it this is their 'evidence'?

(and if you want evidence, look at the long list of terrorist leaders israel have assasinated, they were all reported to be 'Arrested' by the palestinien authority)

Okay, give me the web address!

Terror works well on governments that support it: IE Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine and all the others. yes terror organizations exists in countries like USA and France as well... but not in that amount

Here is the problem ( I have outlined it in another thread)

What completely unifies a nation?
Answer, a common enemy.
So why won't Arafat agree to dismantaling his creation?
I wonder how long such a sick looking man could last...

 

[IceBlaZe]

Dont give me quotes from the talmud, its not relevant. Between islam, christianity and judaism every religion praises its own and cancells the others. and the talmud is a not our bible, its a book written by a bunch of religion people a long time ago. its irrelevant to the current situation, as we do not consider the talmud as an education book. what I gave you is a site that tells you about the current education books palestiniens use, not a site that talks about a talmud that was written 1500 years ago! (maybe even more, I cant even remember.).

I dont have a website that shows you a list of all the terrorist leaders Israel have assasinated... if you do a search on the internet you might run into one, but I doubt it.

Maybe if 'Mr. Arafat' (as bush calls him) stop wasting all the money he gets from europe on weaponry and helicopters (he owns 5 helicopters on his own!) while the palestinien nation suffers from a very weakened, almost non existent economy as result from the war in israel, we might see palestiniens on this forum. The palestiniens owe about 60 million dollars to the Israeli Electricity company, and if they dont pay that debt soon they will be cut off electricity. but yaaser arafat doesnt really care for his people, so when it happens he will let it happen and then say its all the fault of israel, that treats the palestiniens with unhuman conditions, blah blah blah. when its actually him that doesnt pay the debts he should, its him who does not use the money he gets from the EU and such's to help his own people. he rather spend it on another helicopter or some more illegal weaponry that find its way in terrorist hands.
Its sad the palestiniens are so blind, so brain-washed with hatred they cant see how their own leaders treat them with corruption. the PA does a very good job manipulating all anger towards Israel from 1st grade. and then we are 'surprised' the major amount of terrorist that grow in palestine.

Anyhow, about the talmud, it is a book that is known to be full of racist jewish hatred... dont bring examples from it, its irrelevant.

 

[Blackadder]

Sorry, the Talmud was within the link you gave and so I thought it was quotable. No offence was intended.

Its sad the palestiniens are so blind, so brain-washed with hatred they cant see how their own leaders treat them with corruption. the PA does a very good job manipulating all anger towards Israel from 1st grade. and then we are 'surprised' the major amount of terrorist that grow in palestine.

It is sad that such methods are employed. Yet in a twisted way it does unify the Palestines against their 'comman enemy', no matter how fictional that enemy is.

It looks like no one will reply in defence, so I hereby name IceBlaze winner of any argument this thread could have had..
Basically though, I think this thread has ended.

 

[IceBlaZe]

I think you misunderstood me blackadder.. everything you quoted from the talmud is fabrication of nazism and anti-judaism. all this quotes does not exist in the talmud. for the full story:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/media.html

 

[Blackadder]

Urg, read a bit and felt very sick considering this 'stuff' is being state-taught. (but the accursed smilie page won't open!)


Anything about the other anti-Jewish propaganda books or other untruths you can clear up on this thread? Maybe people will read this page and be enlightened (and sickened).

PS. Join the avatar strike!