Any Good Strategies to get DoWed?

[GGM007]

Are there any good ways of getting the AI to declare on you?

Rome really needs to be attacking me and I've been demanding stuff left, right and centre but still no attack.

We've been at war several times and he is currently fighting a minor war with Egypt but I'm totally in between them now so it's a mostly cold war..

Rome far outnumbers me and I have only a slight tech lead, but I want him to invade so I can havest all that lovely gold, XP, and culture (Aztecs with max Honour, my first go with them...it's pretty cool, just maxed honour for the first time since patch and wanna see how much cash I can get) but I don't want to comprimise my (mostly) peace international profile. Civ4 had several ways...

Spill his pint, I mean wine?

Any tips?

 

[chazzycat]

You could try spending most or all of your gold. It counts towards your military strength when the AI is judging power, so if you spend it all you are suddenly a good deal weaker. If they have a solid lead already in soldiers it could be enough to tip the balance and get the DOW. (also I assume you are not friends, in that case he won't DOW you until it expires no matter what)

 

[GGM007]

Nope, not at all friends!, I do have quite a bit of cash however but I'm about to get the tech for Infantry and I was saving my cash for upgrades. I wanted him to attack before I upgrade as I wanted him to be less intimidated by my flashy troops....but the cash might be as bad...

 

[chazzycat]

there's the catch. The upgrades will boost your power as well, so spending money on upgrades doesn't lower your strength and probably won't get you the DOW. Same goes for buying units obviously. To get the reduction in perceived threat level you have to spend in on non-military, like City States or rushing buildings.

To get around this, you can try to delay some luxury/strategic resource selling, spend all your money on City states, hopefully get the DOW, then sell the luxuries you've been holding onto and use the money for your upgrades.

 

[GGM007]

Maybe I'll just take the hit and invade the swine, he's DoWed me about 3 times.....

 

[Misterboy]

I actually kind of like the fact that you can't just get him to do what you want. I think Civ 4 had too much of that.

With that said, I understand your frustration. The idea of holding off on luxury sales, using all your money to get him to DOW and then sell those luxuries, is a brilliant idea.

 

[chazzycat]

Yeah if it doesn't work, honestly the DOW hit is not really a terrible burden on your rep. A lot of warmonger hate is wrapped up in destroying civs - i.e. taking their last city. Avoid that and you can keep a pretty decent rep for a while.

 

[vexing]

you can make a defense pact with another civ, then bribe rome to declare on them - i don't know if you still get the warmonger hit or not.

if you have a strong military advantage (which i suspect you do) there's no other easy way to get someone else to declare on you. suck it up and declare on them.

 

[RedRover57]

If you are "winning" the game then eventually the other civs will all hate you anyway. So warmongering penalty is usually no big deal. You usually become perceived by some civs as a warmonger even if you don't start the war, particularly if you take or raze any cities. If the other civs all hate Rome (because they are warmongering or expanding too rapidly) then you may not even get a big diplo hit by declaring on them. Just be sure to denounce them on the turn before you declare. The other civs that have also denounced them will like you for it.

 

[snarzberry]

you can make a defense pact with another civ, then bribe rome to declare on them - i don't know if you still get the warmonger hit or not.

if you have a strong military advantage (which i suspect you do) there's no other easy way to get someone else to declare on you. suck it up and declare on them.

I learned from a recent game that this can even cancel out a peace treaty. If you have a peace treaty with civ X and a defensive pact with civ Y then the peace treaty will be nullified if X DoWs Y.

 

[GGM007]

I don't have a big advantage in military, I'm just human. He actually dissed my army which just makes me want to murder him more....Rome is doing that new post patch warmonger thing of making hundreds of units but I have the tech edge, Rifles/Arty vs Longswords/Cannon. I am only like 15 turns off Infantry too....I want to farm off all his numbers of cannon fodder troops for cash/culture

mhahahahahahahahaha

He's also being picking on me for 1000 years or so...

I think I'll denounce him and see if that's the last straw (maye try to get him to make peace with Egypt too...) otherwise I'll just start on the bully..

 

[Misterboy]

I think I'll denounce him and see if that's the last straw (maye try to get him to make peace with Egypt too...) otherwise I'll just start on the bully..

I think all of us giving advice had assumed you'd already denounced him!

 

[Furycrab]

On a side note: I did denounce England once just to be cool with the 5 other people that Denounced her (she was in the middle of 4-5 other Civs, I was laughing the whole way thru at how much hate she was getting) and it ended up being the last straw and she DOWed me the next turn.

 

[GGM007]

I'm out of the habit of doing it (denouncing). I never usually bother as when I used to try it all that would happen is they would denounce back and I'd then get denounced chained by the rest of the world...obviously the AI is marginally better now so chains happen less..

However it's all a bit academic at the mo as I now have the 'Incomplete Installation 55' problem and a full reinstall hasn't helped....*cries*

 

[blasto]

Culture bombs are always fun

 

[GGM007]

That did cross my mind but I'm a while off a great artist..could build the Louvre however..

 

[joncnunn]

To be DOWed upon:

Denounce the player
Declare friends with those he has denounced.

Have a weak military relative to him. (Remember that cash counts)

 

[fromar]

I learned from a recent game that this can even cancel out a peace treaty. If you have a peace treaty with civ X and a defensive pact with civ Y then the peace treaty will be nullified if X DoWs Y.

Maybe he can bribe Rome to attack his friend. Does the defensive pact go away then?

Even if it does, strangely I think you will strengthen your relationship with the guy you kind of backstabbed.

 

[blasto]

I suppose you could play a hotseat game controlling an extra civ. This Civ could be your unit storage cushion. Give all your units to this other civ so that you're super weak when you want to antagonize other AI into attacking you.

Then you can give them back to yourself.

 

[dyllyn]

gotta ask, did you go all in on the provocations? denounce, don't settle, gimme your stuff, your enemies are now my friends, my guys are chilling on your border, your CS ally is now my ally, i'm denouncing your friend (good if the friend is warmog cause everyone else will agree with you), if he requests anything of you tell him to piss off...

my man cesar isn't going to take your nonsense lying down!