Any meaning to pain and happiness?

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"Do not hail anyone as happy, until his end" is a loose translation of an ancient Greek saying. The point being that it is deemed wrong to judge how good a life one has until that life has been completed.

Do you agree with this saying? In adolescence it is perhaps a universal phenomenon, or at least one very common, to see people deem some of their peers as luckier in life. But ultimately this is an epidermic, skin-deep impression; surely there existed people who lived a hell while on the surface seeming to be joyous.

Also there may have been indeed people who were very happy, and presented positive qualities in all examined fields, but then their life in its continuation deteriorated.

This is a thread about trying to make sense of pain, and happiness, not as random, or random in the great equation of life, phenomena, but possibly as something of a balance. Of course it is merely a belief that there may be such a balance. The theory of reincarnation even allows for attributing horrible whole lives to a larger sum in which they are again in balance with the previous and following lives. Personally i would love to believe in such an interpretation, since it would mean my past of sorrow was something needed for my present of happiness, and that no other harms are in store for myself.

On the other hand it does have in it, this theorization, perhaps the seed of decadent ethics, since it can be seen as a decadent will to accept (or rather redefine, and therefore not exactly accept it on true grounds) past (or even present) pain, with the belief that it will lead to something better. It reminds me of the horrible christian belief that "those who are last here, shall be first (in the next world)".
I definitely do not think this christian saying is true, for it seems to be shared mostly by people who are in pain, but have done nothing to better themselves, and instead have collapsed into a state of misery, a misery often breeding hostility towards others.

So, TL: DR:

Do you think that, in any way, in any form or state governed by hidden or known laws, does pain and happiness here, in the present, in the past, in the future, have some meaning which would render it a positive aspect on the whole of one's existence?
Or are you of the view that pain and happiness, whether alternating states or chronic conditions, have no greater meaning than that fleeting emotion imprinted on the people who feel them?
 
Pain is potentially an indicator for a learning opportunity.

Very true, but it often happens that people react to pain in a very different manner, and are instead harmed by it without learning anything which would prevent future pain. Chronic depression after all is the result of many unresolved issues which breed pain.
 
It's just what life is. There will be pain, there will be happiness, and there will be.. well, everything. It comes at you in random doses and all you can do is take it, learn from it, and try to move on.

My philosophy is that failure, pain, and disappointment are healthy parts of life.
 
If you have set yourself a goal and to attain that goal requires some pain on your part, then some good has come from that pain. Well perhaps not good, but the pain was necessary.
 
If there is one lesson I could impart to today's youth is to be mindful of your future while you are still young. Sure, take some risks, but minimize stupid/foolish mistakes as much as possible. You will avoid a lot of pain and misfortune this way.
 
Physical and emotional pain are simply features of human existence. It's ultimately unavoidable, because our bodies are frail things that are subject to injury, disease, and deterioration over time.

The experience of pain clearly had some evolutionary significance, and made it possible for organisms to learn to avoid danger. I don't think it has any intrinsic meaning over and above that.

How we choose to deal with pain is a much more interesting question. In our own lives, I think the best we can do is avoid pain (when possible) and learn to be at peace with it (when not). What we mostly do instead is layer on additional suffering for ourselves in our attempts to prevent or mask our pain.

In the domain of ethics, of course, we should refrain from causing pain to others and alleviate it when we can.
 
Where there is pain, let compassion arise and help others from their suffering.
Where there is happiness, let generosity arise and share it with others.
 
It's just what life is. There will be pain, there will be happiness, and there will be.. well, everything. It comes at you in random doses and all you can do is take it, learn from it, and try to move on.

My philosophy is that failure, pain, and disappointment are healthy parts of life.

pretty much this.
 
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