Anyone ever get rotten luck on neighbors?

[yogiebere]

Pangaea Immortal Standard Size as Germany. Roll China, Mongolia, Rome, Persia, Huns, Zulu, And Morocco in this game. Huns just pounced on my 3rd settlement with 3 catapults and 3 other units and Rome declared too. Might be a gg kinda game.

 

[YukiN]

That's a pretty sad start. You normally don't even get that many neighbours and you have a late-game civ. Honestly no shame in going next imo, but you can still play the game out as a learning experience.

Edit: Upon closer inspection, your 4th is in really awkward spot. You really have seen this coming. If you are really out of acceptabld settles, consider going to war yourself with an AI buddy. Tradition is pretty good for early war.

 

[CrazyG]

Of course I get rotten luck! Its part of the game.

 

[Bascule2000]

Who's the worst immediate neighbour? I vote for Denmark for their insane aggression.

 

[yogiebere]

That's a pretty sad start. You normally don't even get that many neighbours and you have a late-game civ. Honestly no shame in going next imo, but you can still play the game out as a learning experience.

Edit: Upon closer inspection, your 4th is in really awkward spot. You really have seen this coming. If you are really out of acceptabld settles, consider going to war yourself with an AI buddy. Tradition is pretty good for early war.

Yeah it was just such a nice spot and I didn't realize just how close the Huns were.

 

[Baddo]

lategame civs I only play on communitas for that reason alone

 

[andersw]

Pangaea Immortal Standard Size as Germany. Roll China, Mongolia, Rome, Persia, Huns, Zulu, And Morocco in this game. Huns just pounced on my 3rd settlement with 3 catapults and 3 other units and Rome declared too. Might be a gg kinda game.

Thats rediculous, swap Morocco for greece and you have a full house of early game madness with a runaway china?

 

[Omen of Peace]

When you notice you have several warmongers as neighbours... build an army! With only 3 units, no wonder you are seen as a target.

 

[Questdog]

Darius has been the toughest for me with his Immortals.....Monty is the most annoying, I think, but he can managed usually. When a squad of immortals shows up on your doorstep and you have nothing but a few archers and spearmen, the only thing you can do is hope that he loses interest in the war before he takes all of your cities.

 

[CrabHelmet]

All of you are wrong. The worst is Hiawatha. That bastard forward settles you so hard that you're actually sideward settled, backward settled, and upward settled just to really push the point in. Then when you declare war because suddenly he's in your living room, chatting with your mum, and dating your girlfriend, and everyone else thinks you're the bad guy?

I sometimes just quit games outright if I have Hiawatha as an early neighbour. It's not worth it. I can start a new life, under a new name, in a new continent. Maybe be a fisherman or something. Maybe this time he won't find me.

 

[Questdog]

All of you are wrong. The worst is Hiawatha. That bastard forward settles you so hard that you're actually sideward settled, backward settled, and upward settled just to really push the point in. Then when you declare war because suddenly he's in your living room, chatting with your mum, and dating your girlfriend, and everyone else thinks you're the bad guy?

I sometimes just quit games outright if I have Hiawatha as an early neighbour. It's not worth it. I can start a new life, under a new name, in a new continent. Maybe be a fisherman or something. Maybe this time he won't find me.

The Really Advanced Setup mod is super for this. You can ban Civs from your game. I have banned Hiawatha, the Shoshone, Venice and Polynesia from my games. Ethiopia and Brazil, too.... Mostly because their leaders annoy me. Alexander is the one I really hate the most, just because he's so full of himself, but I cannot bring myself to ban Greece from Civilization.....

 

[CrabHelmet]

Why would you ban Polynesia? Kamehameha is a bro, he's always a reliable friend. Don't mess with him and he won't mess with you.

The main reason I hate Hiawatha is that forward settling doesn't carry a diplomatic penalty in Civ V. If you played like the Hiawatha AI in a multiplayer game, everyone would hate you for overencroaching and you'd be the target of an early coalition and removed from the game. You just can't be that aggressive with your settling towards multiple Civs. In game, the other Civ AIs are like "huh, Hiawatha planted a Settler 4 tiles from your capital? Legit, that was totally his territory, you're a monster for declaring war". They see it as bad when you defend your natural zone of influence. I can't stand it when Hiawatha plants a city sometimes literally inside my Empire and everyone else judges me for removing it. It's the absolute worst thing ever, makes my blood boil.

At least you know where you stand with Shaka and Monty - there's a degree of mutual understanding, honour between soldiers. When they forward settle you, they have the decency to actually declare war themselves shortly after, and to the winner the spoils. Hiawatha forward settles you and then waits for you to do something about it. Taunting you.

Hiawatha's AI is like the definition of passive aggressive.

 

[Questdog]

Why would you ban Polynesia? Kamehameha is a bro, he's always a reliable friend. Don't mess with him and he won't mess with you.

The main reason I hate Hiawatha is that forward settling doesn't carry a diplomatic penalty in Civ V. If you played like the Hiawatha AI in a multiplayer game, everyone would hate you for overencroaching and you'd be the target of an early coalition and removed from the game. You just can't be that aggressive with your settling towards multiple Civs. In game, the other Civ AIs are like "huh, Hiawatha planted a Settler 4 tiles from your capital? Legit, that was totally his territory, you're a monster for declaring war". They see it as bad when you defend your natural zone of influence. I can't stand it when Hiawatha plants a city sometimes literally inside my Empire and everyone else judges me for removing it. It's the absolute worst thing ever, makes my blood boil. At least you know where you stand with Shaka and Monty - we'll go to war, there's a degree of mutual understanding, honour between soldiers.

Hiawatha's AI is like the definition of passive aggressive.

I agree about Hiawatha and any forward settling. Kamehameha is a used car salesman....It is not his game behavior; just his leaderhead that annoys.

 

[Rafs]

That's a pretty bad start,I would have probably tried to go autorithy, but being in the middle, and seeing your direct neighbors it does seem like a very uphill battle.
I've found being near 2 religious civs (and wanting to found one) is terribly annoying too, not only for spreading but the amount of faith I need to expend on inquisitors the whole game because pressure slowly eats away my happiness through religious dissent.
Also, I can't be the only one that readies the war machine as soon as lizy is in the game, right?

 

[FoxOfWar]

I tend to at least try to see most starts through, but every once in a while there indeed is the OP kind of start that makes me think twice.

...part of the reason why I always at least consider the option of conquering my continent(assuming I am playing that kind of map) super-early, just so I can settle it in peace. Playing on Marathon, that more often than not leaves me two whole eras of land-grabbing and infrastructure before I even meet other civs. Last time I was playing as America, sharing the continent with Polynesia and Shoshone. That day, Washington went to war.

 

[Grabbl]

The start is not lost, I think, but as Omen of Peace (!) already said, you can't expect to be able to defend with four units. VP AI recognizes that kind of behaviour and punishes it.

Anyway, I agree on Hiawathas forward settling and would add Songhai to the list of civs I fear - you can't cripple them before their UU, and when they have it, you need to go full defence to protect your cities.