Anything on the patch we was supposed to get three weeks ago?
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Philips said:
Amen!
You know, I did say I feel for thamer and that this shouldn't fall on his/her shoulders...but we can forget that.
Don't really need a lesson in real-world economics or why 2k rushed the game to market. I kind of already understand the importance of a 4th quarter product roll-out
And, BTW...I waited until the release of the 1.52 patch before I even bought the game. Sorry, don't have a lot of cash to spend and I get to buy about 1 game a year that I play on a computer some-one else owns, so when I buy a game I kind of like it to work.
As far as manners, I think things like Nemo's brilliant "STFU" are far more rude than expressing an (admittedly mis-directed) opinion while frustrated.
Misguided how? Thamer clearly identified himself as a Take2 employee, and was clearly speaking as such.
And it wasn't really such a good answer. Why withhold this patch if it is really ready for "final testing"? I can understand why it would not be made available using the in-program update facility, but there is no reason in the world why it should not be made available for download as a beta release.
Think about what was said. It's waiting for quality assurance people who are busy with other things right now. So there are two possibilities:
1. The patch will pass the QA process and we will have to wait for bug fixes when we could already be up and running with a beta release.
2. It will need re-writes, which suggests that it will go through this cycle again, including the wait for QA testing, which means that it may be quite a while in coming.
And it wasn't really such a good answer. Why withhold this patch if it is really ready for "final testing"? I can understand why it would not be made available using the in-program update facility, but there is no reason in the world why it should not be made available for download as a beta release.
Think about what was said. It's waiting for quality assurance people who are busy with other things right now. So there are two possibilities:
1. The patch will pass the QA process and we will have to wait for bug fixes when we could already be up and running with a beta release.
2. It will need re-writes, which suggests that it will go through this cycle again, including the wait for QA testing, which means that it may be quite a while in coming.
thamer said:
The fact that we have to get updates on progress from you(Fire-axis) on a fan website is utterly ridiculous. I know that is probably not your job but you should pass it along to the company that their customer service/tech support is utter crap.
"QA got put on another product" That is classic delay of how game developers treat customers that have already paid for a semi-finished product. So what you(fire-axis) are really saying is since you(fire-axis) already have our money so we are less important than the next batch of suckers you got lined up. Let me guess what product, Expansion for Civ4???
As for my and others specific problem, 3 months ago it would have been nice to hear back from you. I personally felt you just left all of us hanging by not telling us what the hell was going on. And from what you are saying now seems to be is that it might work with the bfg6800's and it might not work. Tell me this, if it doesnt work am I gonna have to wait another 4 months to see if the next patch "might work"???
One former Civilization Fan....
While It is agreed among most on the forums that this game was rushed through developement, flaming Thamer I dont think is a good idea for us as fans and customers. I mean think about it if you worked at Firaxis and dropped a line on a fan site and then got cyber lynched for it would you be encouraged to let the fans what is going on? However, This game is the worst in recent years that I have had in as far as getting it to work on my system. I mean come on if I can get Battlefield 2 and its expansion to work on my system with the graphics settings set fairly high, not the highest, a freaking turn based game should work on my system. I know this is a simplistic arguement but we all know first person shooters, especially Battlefield 2, have a tendency to be the more cpu gpu and over all system hog. I refuse as a customer to have to downgrade my video drivers to get this game to work. I think firaxis should listen to thier customer base I am a long time Civ fan and a Sid fan, but I am losing my joy. Sid listen up you are losing long time fans. I just told a friend of mine from holding off on buy this game because of my experiance I am sure I am not the first nor the last to do this.
Philips said:
He never did such a thing, and couldn't because he's not a Take2 employee. (Mustafa) Thamer is a Firaxis employee, which is also written under his name if you check his post. Specifically, he is the lead programmer of Civ4.
well this is all great, but where is the patch, its been almost 6 months. galactic civ 2 has a patch out the 1st week, and it good the guys at firaxis to fix it in 2 months... i love civ and firaxis but i really do wish they would get there crap together... just release the patch ppl, and that other crap can wait, i just want a working game
I have noticed "Solver" became Civ4 Beta Tester! I was beta tester for Dungeon Siege II game but I did not apply for Civ4 beta testing because I am very busy on my favourite game Dungeon Siege II game but I tried to play Civ4 game first time on first week of March 2006 and I am suddenly become "love" Civ4 and made simple XML mod to make game easier for my old "senior" family that make poor strategy decisions but unfortunately, I missed beta testing application deadline to apply for become Civ4 beta tester!!! Damn!
I am little
(but not much sad anyway)!
I am little
(but not much sad anyway)!Civ4 beta testing was not possible to apply for. All the beta testers were handpicked by Firaxis, and have been working since a good time before the release.
So nothing to be sad about, Dungeon Siege 2 also needs dedicated beta testers. It's a big game with many details and many places for potential bugs, so it's good it got your attention!
So nothing to be sad about, Dungeon Siege 2 also needs dedicated beta testers
. It's a big game with many details and many places for potential bugs, so it's good it got your attention!
kwazy wabbit
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I agree that it is'nt nice to lynch one of the developers, when one actually comes along and explains what the hell is going on.
But I do think that firaxis/take2 or whomever should be keeping thier ears to the ground and paying more attention to thier customers. Poor service this time around could well affect sales for any future projects...
After the "fun and games" I've had with the cursor freezing, and on a machine that gives the requirement specs the finger...
Well I'll certainly think twice before handing over my hard earned cash for a firaxis/take 2 product in future.
The bottom line is - (Close your ears kiddies)
Dear Firaxis/Take 2
We the consumers of your game are seriously p1$$ed off over all the glitches and bugs that are ruining what has the potential to be a great game (if you can keep it running for long enough!
), so why don't you pull your fingers out of your collective ar$e$ and do something about it? You know what the problems are just check out this forum if your unsure.
Yours
a seriously p1$$ed off civ fan!
But I do think that firaxis/take2 or whomever should be keeping thier ears to the ground and paying more attention to thier customers. Poor service this time around could well affect sales for any future projects...
After the "fun and games" I've had with the cursor freezing, and on a machine that gives the requirement specs the finger...
Well I'll certainly think twice before handing over my hard earned cash for a firaxis/take 2 product in future.
The bottom line is - (Close your ears kiddies)
Dear Firaxis/Take 2
We the consumers of your game are seriously p1$$ed off over all the glitches and bugs that are ruining what has the potential to be a great game (if you can keep it running for long enough!
), so why don't you pull your fingers out of your collective ar$e$ and do something about it? You know what the problems are just check out this forum if your unsure.Yours
a seriously p1$$ed off civ fan!
If you want to look at it that way, you are technically right - but you should, though, make the distinction between 2K and Firaxis employees just for the sake of clarity. What Firaxians do and what the 2Kers (2Kers that are not members of the Firaxis studio, if you wish) do are very different things, and it just helps not to confuse the two.
sevensterre
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All the civ games went though the same multiple patch path. When it's all done it will be a wonderful game. Its a great game now as long as you don't reload a lot on large maps. There were many other games that I purchased that were never patched well. I too would like to know when the patch will be released but would hate it even more if Q&A found some last minute show stopers.
parachute4u
Warlord
QA means copy protection I suppose...?
As for support being crap... Anyone remember MoO3? THAT was crap. Civ4 is fine. I am waaay below recommended specs. And the game is running sloooow. But at least it's design is truly great. -- Unlike many many other fast-food blockbuster hollywood games that came out the during the last couple of years. Get a machine that runs the game. Easy as that. Or buy an XBox or whatever if you cannot set-up your hardware properly.
I am happy to hear, that I'll get yet another patch, making the game even better than it already is. Thanks to everyone involved.
(And down with Atari btw)
parachute
As for support being crap... Anyone remember MoO3? THAT was crap. Civ4 is fine. I am waaay below recommended specs. And the game is running sloooow. But at least it's design is truly great. -- Unlike many many other fast-food blockbuster hollywood games that came out the during the last couple of years. Get a machine that runs the game. Easy as that. Or buy an XBox or whatever if you cannot set-up your hardware properly.
I am happy to hear, that I'll get yet another patch, making the game even better than it already is. Thanks to everyone involved.
(And down with Atari btw)
parachute
parachute4u said:
It doesn't matter how you set up your hardware, the problem is with the game, not the hardware. Take2 has already acknologed that there are stability problems in the game, so it is silly to keep pretending that people just aren't able to set up their hardware properly.
Buying hardware that will run the program despite the bugs in the program might be an option if there were some way of knowing what works before buying it, or if you are wealthy enough to just keep buying new hardware until you managed to stumble on a combination that wasn't as prone to the bugs in Civ IV.
Fixing the bugs in the software is a better solution than working around them by replacing hardware.
MrCynical
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While it's technically correct that anyone who works for Firaxis now works for 2K, it is not correct that every screw up 2K makes is the fault of Firaxis. Complaining at Thamer for 2K's QA is extremely misguided since he's already done his job on the patch. This thread shows fairly clearly why Firaxis saying practically nothing. Thamer's done his job, told us what's holding the patch up (and the hold up is not his fault), and gets a load of abuse hurled at him. Not a good incentive to keep working on patches or tell us what's going on is it?
